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Is this Vehicle id number VIN incorrect/flawed ZFA225000-0-0138627?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowIveco VIN Database (Decode)How much of a VIN code is needed to identify make & model, across model years?Is it possible to have a vehicle with no VIN?VIN information such as Moonroof, engine, etcSearch car parts by VINmy hyundai vin code is not validIs the use of the Vehicle Descriptor Section of ISO 3779 Standard VIN Numbers public information?Missing Vin number Doors replacedVehicle specification information by VIN lookupIs it legal to cover VIN? and/or useful?Where can i find the serial number on engine for a Mercedes-Benz OM651?
According to what I have read about the vehicle identification number encoding (model year)
One consistent element of the VIS is the 10th digit, which is required
worldwide to encode the model year of the vehicle. Besides the three
letters that are not allowed in the VIN itself (I, O and Q), the
letters U and Z and the digit 0 are not used for the model year code.
The year code is the model year for the vehicle.
However in the documents about a Fiat Qubo vehicle I read this VIN: ZFA225000-0-0138627
It appears to me that it contradicts the rule, as its 10th digit is a either 0(zero) or O(letter oh), of which both should not appear here, (i.e. I read the VIN visually and hence the uncertainty about the 0/O situation, which either way should be "wrong", right?)
Not only wikipedia, but also this source https://researchmaniacs.com/VIN/VIN-Decoder.html mentions 0/O being not correct in that location.
Background: The VIN is from an Italian car, from an Italian manufacturer, offered to me in Italy, from an Italian person.
Hence I imagine:
- Wikipedia and the other source being inaccurate (i.e.
0may appear in the 10th position of the VIN), or - Fiat made a mistake
- The documents are maybe counterfeit?
fiat vin
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According to what I have read about the vehicle identification number encoding (model year)
One consistent element of the VIS is the 10th digit, which is required
worldwide to encode the model year of the vehicle. Besides the three
letters that are not allowed in the VIN itself (I, O and Q), the
letters U and Z and the digit 0 are not used for the model year code.
The year code is the model year for the vehicle.
However in the documents about a Fiat Qubo vehicle I read this VIN: ZFA225000-0-0138627
It appears to me that it contradicts the rule, as its 10th digit is a either 0(zero) or O(letter oh), of which both should not appear here, (i.e. I read the VIN visually and hence the uncertainty about the 0/O situation, which either way should be "wrong", right?)
Not only wikipedia, but also this source https://researchmaniacs.com/VIN/VIN-Decoder.html mentions 0/O being not correct in that location.
Background: The VIN is from an Italian car, from an Italian manufacturer, offered to me in Italy, from an Italian person.
Hence I imagine:
- Wikipedia and the other source being inaccurate (i.e.
0may appear in the 10th position of the VIN), or - Fiat made a mistake
- The documents are maybe counterfeit?
fiat vin
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You should check with Fiat (easy as you seem to be in Italy) and with the Police and/or the vehicle licensing / registration authorities.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
FWIW the given VIN checks out as a Fiat Qubo.
– motosubatsu
2 days ago
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According to what I have read about the vehicle identification number encoding (model year)
One consistent element of the VIS is the 10th digit, which is required
worldwide to encode the model year of the vehicle. Besides the three
letters that are not allowed in the VIN itself (I, O and Q), the
letters U and Z and the digit 0 are not used for the model year code.
The year code is the model year for the vehicle.
However in the documents about a Fiat Qubo vehicle I read this VIN: ZFA225000-0-0138627
It appears to me that it contradicts the rule, as its 10th digit is a either 0(zero) or O(letter oh), of which both should not appear here, (i.e. I read the VIN visually and hence the uncertainty about the 0/O situation, which either way should be "wrong", right?)
Not only wikipedia, but also this source https://researchmaniacs.com/VIN/VIN-Decoder.html mentions 0/O being not correct in that location.
Background: The VIN is from an Italian car, from an Italian manufacturer, offered to me in Italy, from an Italian person.
Hence I imagine:
- Wikipedia and the other source being inaccurate (i.e.
0may appear in the 10th position of the VIN), or - Fiat made a mistake
- The documents are maybe counterfeit?
fiat vin
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According to what I have read about the vehicle identification number encoding (model year)
One consistent element of the VIS is the 10th digit, which is required
worldwide to encode the model year of the vehicle. Besides the three
letters that are not allowed in the VIN itself (I, O and Q), the
letters U and Z and the digit 0 are not used for the model year code.
The year code is the model year for the vehicle.
However in the documents about a Fiat Qubo vehicle I read this VIN: ZFA225000-0-0138627
It appears to me that it contradicts the rule, as its 10th digit is a either 0(zero) or O(letter oh), of which both should not appear here, (i.e. I read the VIN visually and hence the uncertainty about the 0/O situation, which either way should be "wrong", right?)
Not only wikipedia, but also this source https://researchmaniacs.com/VIN/VIN-Decoder.html mentions 0/O being not correct in that location.
Background: The VIN is from an Italian car, from an Italian manufacturer, offered to me in Italy, from an Italian person.
Hence I imagine:
- Wikipedia and the other source being inaccurate (i.e.
0may appear in the 10th position of the VIN), or - Fiat made a mistake
- The documents are maybe counterfeit?
fiat vin
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You should check with Fiat (easy as you seem to be in Italy) and with the Police and/or the vehicle licensing / registration authorities.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
FWIW the given VIN checks out as a Fiat Qubo.
– motosubatsu
2 days ago
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You should check with Fiat (easy as you seem to be in Italy) and with the Police and/or the vehicle licensing / registration authorities.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
FWIW the given VIN checks out as a Fiat Qubo.
– motosubatsu
2 days ago
1
1
You should check with Fiat (easy as you seem to be in Italy) and with the Police and/or the vehicle licensing / registration authorities.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
You should check with Fiat (easy as you seem to be in Italy) and with the Police and/or the vehicle licensing / registration authorities.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
FWIW the given VIN checks out as a Fiat Qubo.
– motosubatsu
2 days ago
FWIW the given VIN checks out as a Fiat Qubo.
– motosubatsu
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The Wikipedia link you gave says clearly that
- There are (at least four) different standards for the VIN.
- The EU and North America use different standards.
- The European standard does not have explicit "model year" and "plant code" fields. Characters 10-17 simply provide "clear identification of a particular vehicle".
FWIW my Fiat (bought new from a reputable UK dealer) also has a zero in position 10 of the VIN.
Since in the UK (at least) the VIN is included on national databases (e.g. vehicle registration and annual safety checks) it is highly unlikely that "Fiat made a mistake" either globally, or on one individual car (or two individual cars, if you claim my VIN is also wrong!)
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When I was at one of the "large" car manufacturers - we would de-code the VIN into groups of 3 letters and could completely decipher the original build specification of the vehicle - which radio, speakers, seats, trim, color of carpets, paint & finish etc
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike Manufacturers can use the VDS part of the VIN (which shows "the general characteristics of the vehicle") any way they like. Presumably that is what you were decoding. The question is not about that field. Apart from the Manufacturer code (ZFA=Fiat) all the rest of my VIN is numeric.
– alephzero
2 days ago
yes, we were taking the numeric part to decode.... It was a comment and from the vin we could tell which plant produced a specific vehicle... Which caused some embarrassment once to management...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike, in my version of English "letters" are not "numeric." But whatever.....
– alephzero
2 days ago
We used all the letters and numerals for the decoding... It tells the whole story... In fact there are some websites now that do that for general users...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
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The Wikipedia link you gave says clearly that
- There are (at least four) different standards for the VIN.
- The EU and North America use different standards.
- The European standard does not have explicit "model year" and "plant code" fields. Characters 10-17 simply provide "clear identification of a particular vehicle".
FWIW my Fiat (bought new from a reputable UK dealer) also has a zero in position 10 of the VIN.
Since in the UK (at least) the VIN is included on national databases (e.g. vehicle registration and annual safety checks) it is highly unlikely that "Fiat made a mistake" either globally, or on one individual car (or two individual cars, if you claim my VIN is also wrong!)
answered 2 days ago
alephzeroalephzero
1,2691511
1
When I was at one of the "large" car manufacturers - we would de-code the VIN into groups of 3 letters and could completely decipher the original build specification of the vehicle - which radio, speakers, seats, trim, color of carpets, paint & finish etc
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike Manufacturers can use the VDS part of the VIN (which shows "the general characteristics of the vehicle") any way they like. Presumably that is what you were decoding. The question is not about that field. Apart from the Manufacturer code (ZFA=Fiat) all the rest of my VIN is numeric.
– alephzero
2 days ago
yes, we were taking the numeric part to decode.... It was a comment and from the vin we could tell which plant produced a specific vehicle... Which caused some embarrassment once to management...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike, in my version of English "letters" are not "numeric." But whatever.....
– alephzero
2 days ago
We used all the letters and numerals for the decoding... It tells the whole story... In fact there are some websites now that do that for general users...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
|
show 3 more comments
The Wikipedia link you gave says clearly that
- There are (at least four) different standards for the VIN.
- The EU and North America use different standards.
- The European standard does not have explicit "model year" and "plant code" fields. Characters 10-17 simply provide "clear identification of a particular vehicle".
FWIW my Fiat (bought new from a reputable UK dealer) also has a zero in position 10 of the VIN.
Since in the UK (at least) the VIN is included on national databases (e.g. vehicle registration and annual safety checks) it is highly unlikely that "Fiat made a mistake" either globally, or on one individual car (or two individual cars, if you claim my VIN is also wrong!)
answered 2 days ago
alephzeroalephzero
1,2691511
1
When I was at one of the "large" car manufacturers - we would de-code the VIN into groups of 3 letters and could completely decipher the original build specification of the vehicle - which radio, speakers, seats, trim, color of carpets, paint & finish etc
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike Manufacturers can use the VDS part of the VIN (which shows "the general characteristics of the vehicle") any way they like. Presumably that is what you were decoding. The question is not about that field. Apart from the Manufacturer code (ZFA=Fiat) all the rest of my VIN is numeric.
– alephzero
2 days ago
yes, we were taking the numeric part to decode.... It was a comment and from the vin we could tell which plant produced a specific vehicle... Which caused some embarrassment once to management...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike, in my version of English "letters" are not "numeric." But whatever.....
– alephzero
2 days ago
We used all the letters and numerals for the decoding... It tells the whole story... In fact there are some websites now that do that for general users...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
|
show 3 more comments
The Wikipedia link you gave says clearly that
- There are (at least four) different standards for the VIN.
- The EU and North America use different standards.
- The European standard does not have explicit "model year" and "plant code" fields. Characters 10-17 simply provide "clear identification of a particular vehicle".
FWIW my Fiat (bought new from a reputable UK dealer) also has a zero in position 10 of the VIN.
Since in the UK (at least) the VIN is included on national databases (e.g. vehicle registration and annual safety checks) it is highly unlikely that "Fiat made a mistake" either globally, or on one individual car (or two individual cars, if you claim my VIN is also wrong!)
answered 2 days ago
alephzeroalephzero
1,2691511
The Wikipedia link you gave says clearly that
- There are (at least four) different standards for the VIN.
- The EU and North America use different standards.
- The European standard does not have explicit "model year" and "plant code" fields. Characters 10-17 simply provide "clear identification of a particular vehicle".
FWIW my Fiat (bought new from a reputable UK dealer) also has a zero in position 10 of the VIN.
Since in the UK (at least) the VIN is included on national databases (e.g. vehicle registration and annual safety checks) it is highly unlikely that "Fiat made a mistake" either globally, or on one individual car (or two individual cars, if you claim my VIN is also wrong!)
answered 2 days ago
alephzeroalephzero
1,2691511
answered 2 days ago
alephzeroalephzero
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answered 2 days ago
alephzeroalephzero
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answered 2 days ago
alephzeroalephzero
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When I was at one of the "large" car manufacturers - we would de-code the VIN into groups of 3 letters and could completely decipher the original build specification of the vehicle - which radio, speakers, seats, trim, color of carpets, paint & finish etc
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike Manufacturers can use the VDS part of the VIN (which shows "the general characteristics of the vehicle") any way they like. Presumably that is what you were decoding. The question is not about that field. Apart from the Manufacturer code (ZFA=Fiat) all the rest of my VIN is numeric.
– alephzero
2 days ago
yes, we were taking the numeric part to decode.... It was a comment and from the vin we could tell which plant produced a specific vehicle... Which caused some embarrassment once to management...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike, in my version of English "letters" are not "numeric." But whatever.....
– alephzero
2 days ago
We used all the letters and numerals for the decoding... It tells the whole story... In fact there are some websites now that do that for general users...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
|
show 3 more comments
1
When I was at one of the "large" car manufacturers - we would de-code the VIN into groups of 3 letters and could completely decipher the original build specification of the vehicle - which radio, speakers, seats, trim, color of carpets, paint & finish etc
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike Manufacturers can use the VDS part of the VIN (which shows "the general characteristics of the vehicle") any way they like. Presumably that is what you were decoding. The question is not about that field. Apart from the Manufacturer code (ZFA=Fiat) all the rest of my VIN is numeric.
– alephzero
2 days ago
yes, we were taking the numeric part to decode.... It was a comment and from the vin we could tell which plant produced a specific vehicle... Which caused some embarrassment once to management...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike, in my version of English "letters" are not "numeric." But whatever.....
– alephzero
2 days ago
We used all the letters and numerals for the decoding... It tells the whole story... In fact there are some websites now that do that for general users...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
1
1
When I was at one of the "large" car manufacturers - we would de-code the VIN into groups of 3 letters and could completely decipher the original build specification of the vehicle - which radio, speakers, seats, trim, color of carpets, paint & finish etc
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
When I was at one of the "large" car manufacturers - we would de-code the VIN into groups of 3 letters and could completely decipher the original build specification of the vehicle - which radio, speakers, seats, trim, color of carpets, paint & finish etc
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike Manufacturers can use the VDS part of the VIN (which shows "the general characteristics of the vehicle") any way they like. Presumably that is what you were decoding. The question is not about that field. Apart from the Manufacturer code (ZFA=Fiat) all the rest of my VIN is numeric.
– alephzero
2 days ago
@SolarMike Manufacturers can use the VDS part of the VIN (which shows "the general characteristics of the vehicle") any way they like. Presumably that is what you were decoding. The question is not about that field. Apart from the Manufacturer code (ZFA=Fiat) all the rest of my VIN is numeric.
– alephzero
2 days ago
yes, we were taking the numeric part to decode.... It was a comment and from the vin we could tell which plant produced a specific vehicle... Which caused some embarrassment once to management...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
yes, we were taking the numeric part to decode.... It was a comment and from the vin we could tell which plant produced a specific vehicle... Which caused some embarrassment once to management...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
@SolarMike, in my version of English "letters" are not "numeric." But whatever.....
– alephzero
2 days ago
@SolarMike, in my version of English "letters" are not "numeric." But whatever.....
– alephzero
2 days ago
We used all the letters and numerals for the decoding... It tells the whole story... In fact there are some websites now that do that for general users...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
We used all the letters and numerals for the decoding... It tells the whole story... In fact there are some websites now that do that for general users...
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
|
show 3 more comments
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You should check with Fiat (easy as you seem to be in Italy) and with the Police and/or the vehicle licensing / registration authorities.
– Solar Mike
2 days ago
FWIW the given VIN checks out as a Fiat Qubo.
– motosubatsu
2 days ago