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Can you cast a spell on someone in the Ethereal Plane, if you are on the Material Plane and have the True Seeing spell active?
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A creature is on the Material Plane and can perceive someone on the Ethereal Plane using the True Seeing spell. Can that creature cast a spell that only requires that they see the character on the creature in the Ethereal Plane?
For example, could someone on the Material Plane that has truesight cast Eyebite on a creature it can see in the Ethereal Plane? Eyebite just requires that you see your target, and with truesight the caster can see the creature on the Ethereal Plane.
Etherealness says:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal Plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so.
True seeing gives the caster the ability to perceive the person on the Ethereal Plane. The text for Eyebite implies it only requires you to see the target. So can the person on the Material Plane with True Seeing active cast Eyebite on someone the see in the Ethereal plane?
I'm using Eyebite as an example, but it could be applied to any spell that only requires sight.
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A creature is on the Material Plane and can perceive someone on the Ethereal Plane using the True Seeing spell. Can that creature cast a spell that only requires that they see the character on the creature in the Ethereal Plane?
For example, could someone on the Material Plane that has truesight cast Eyebite on a creature it can see in the Ethereal Plane? Eyebite just requires that you see your target, and with truesight the caster can see the creature on the Ethereal Plane.
Etherealness says:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal Plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so.
True seeing gives the caster the ability to perceive the person on the Ethereal Plane. The text for Eyebite implies it only requires you to see the target. So can the person on the Material Plane with True Seeing active cast Eyebite on someone the see in the Ethereal plane?
I'm using Eyebite as an example, but it could be applied to any spell that only requires sight.
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A creature is on the Material Plane and can perceive someone on the Ethereal Plane using the True Seeing spell. Can that creature cast a spell that only requires that they see the character on the creature in the Ethereal Plane?
For example, could someone on the Material Plane that has truesight cast Eyebite on a creature it can see in the Ethereal Plane? Eyebite just requires that you see your target, and with truesight the caster can see the creature on the Ethereal Plane.
Etherealness says:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal Plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so.
True seeing gives the caster the ability to perceive the person on the Ethereal Plane. The text for Eyebite implies it only requires you to see the target. So can the person on the Material Plane with True Seeing active cast Eyebite on someone the see in the Ethereal plane?
I'm using Eyebite as an example, but it could be applied to any spell that only requires sight.
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A creature is on the Material Plane and can perceive someone on the Ethereal Plane using the True Seeing spell. Can that creature cast a spell that only requires that they see the character on the creature in the Ethereal Plane?
For example, could someone on the Material Plane that has truesight cast Eyebite on a creature it can see in the Ethereal Plane? Eyebite just requires that you see your target, and with truesight the caster can see the creature on the Ethereal Plane.
Etherealness says:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal Plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so.
True seeing gives the caster the ability to perceive the person on the Ethereal Plane. The text for Eyebite implies it only requires you to see the target. So can the person on the Material Plane with True Seeing active cast Eyebite on someone the see in the Ethereal plane?
I'm using Eyebite as an example, but it could be applied to any spell that only requires sight.
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No, not unless a spell specifically allow it to cross planar boundaries
Etherealness says:
You ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane
Unless the caster has a means to transport their effect to the Ethereal Plane, all spell effects that they create will be in the Material Plane. And since a creature under the effects of etherealness is immune to effects not in the Ethereal Plane they would not be affected by them.
Additional support comes from the part you already quoted:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so
True seeing might give a creature the ability to see you, but it does not magically give them the ability to interact with you. You are still on a separate plane. Thus, they are not able to target you with effects for this reason as well as it is a type of interaction.
Spell which target by sight still have to meet other requirements
As a related aside: when a spell says that you must be able to see the target, it does not mean that this is the only requirement that the spell has for being able to target something. All spells, for example, must have a clear path to the target (unless something in the spell effect says otherwise) by default.
Though nothing says it explicitly in the rules, it seems the most logical ruling would be that you do not have a clear path to things on a separate plane from yourself. Spell effects cannot cross planar boundaries unless they explicitly say so. Adding a requirement that you must be able to see the target does not bypass these other considerations.
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I agree with you, but playing devil's advocate, while I understand the "can't perceive you can can't interact with you" part, if the prerequisite for the interaction is perception (being able to see the target, as in the Eyebite spell), then what's preventing the casting of the spell? Is it because as you say all spells cast on the Material Plane can't affect the Ethereal plane unless specifically noted in the spell text?
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@ricitron correct, also note the last paragraph because perception is not the only requisite for eyebite to take effect. You could not cast it at a creature behind a transparent sheet of glass completely covering it for example (because the spell does not have a clear path). I'll try to make that point clearer in my answer though.
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Here's the Crawford tweet @PixelMaster mentioned: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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@ricitron yeah it seems kind of silly at first I agree, but clear path is actually a very important restriction in 5e's spellcasting rules and it applies to every spell unless that spell explicitly says otherwise.
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Yes
While "[y]ou ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane", where a particular spell's effect happens depends on the target of the spell.
For example:
Fireball: "A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range ...". Your finger is on the material plane, therefore, so is the Fireball.
Hold Person: "Choose a humanoid that you can see within range." You can see them, they are in range (since distance on the Ethereal and the Material have a 1:1 correspondence), the spell can affect them regardless of which plane they are on.
Suggestion: "a creature you can see within range that can hear and understand you." If they can hear material things then it affects them, if they can't, it won't. We know from the Etherealness spell that material creatures can't "perceive" ethereal creatures without magic and True Seeing only covers sight not hearing. However, while we know ethereal creatures can see 60 feet into the material we don't know if they can hear into it - in the Forgotten Realms the answer appears no be no but your DM may rule yes.
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Relevant (unofficial) Crawford tweet: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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@V2Blast which makes no sense with a spell like Forcecage
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For forcecage, it explicitly extends into the Ethereal Plane, so all you need to do is target the corresponding area in the Material Plane.
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@V2Blast yes, but they are infinitely far away so how can you be inside it?
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@ricitron I don't think it is confusing. Infinitely far away means you don't satisfy most cast range requirement.
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Most spells have a limited range at which you can cast them. If you and the target on a different planes of existence, you can't cast those spells because you are too far away from each other.
Rules designer Jeremy Crawford's unofficial tweet supports this:
If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other.
If a spell does not have a range limitation (which is very rare) to activate its effect, or specifically allows targeting something on another plane, you can use it to target something on another plane. One example of this is the sending spell.
Eyebite has a range of self, but you can only activate its effect on a creature within 60 feet, so you can't target someone in the Ethereal Plane, since both of you are not within 60 feet of each other.
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No, not unless a spell specifically allow it to cross planar boundaries
Etherealness says:
You ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane
Unless the caster has a means to transport their effect to the Ethereal Plane, all spell effects that they create will be in the Material Plane. And since a creature under the effects of etherealness is immune to effects not in the Ethereal Plane they would not be affected by them.
Additional support comes from the part you already quoted:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so
True seeing might give a creature the ability to see you, but it does not magically give them the ability to interact with you. You are still on a separate plane. Thus, they are not able to target you with effects for this reason as well as it is a type of interaction.
Spell which target by sight still have to meet other requirements
As a related aside: when a spell says that you must be able to see the target, it does not mean that this is the only requirement that the spell has for being able to target something. All spells, for example, must have a clear path to the target (unless something in the spell effect says otherwise) by default.
Though nothing says it explicitly in the rules, it seems the most logical ruling would be that you do not have a clear path to things on a separate plane from yourself. Spell effects cannot cross planar boundaries unless they explicitly say so. Adding a requirement that you must be able to see the target does not bypass these other considerations.
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I agree with you, but playing devil's advocate, while I understand the "can't perceive you can can't interact with you" part, if the prerequisite for the interaction is perception (being able to see the target, as in the Eyebite spell), then what's preventing the casting of the spell? Is it because as you say all spells cast on the Material Plane can't affect the Ethereal plane unless specifically noted in the spell text?
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– ricitron
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@ricitron correct, also note the last paragraph because perception is not the only requisite for eyebite to take effect. You could not cast it at a creature behind a transparent sheet of glass completely covering it for example (because the spell does not have a clear path). I'll try to make that point clearer in my answer though.
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– Rubiksmoose
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Here's the Crawford tweet @PixelMaster mentioned: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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@ricitron yeah it seems kind of silly at first I agree, but clear path is actually a very important restriction in 5e's spellcasting rules and it applies to every spell unless that spell explicitly says otherwise.
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No, not unless a spell specifically allow it to cross planar boundaries
Etherealness says:
You ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane
Unless the caster has a means to transport their effect to the Ethereal Plane, all spell effects that they create will be in the Material Plane. And since a creature under the effects of etherealness is immune to effects not in the Ethereal Plane they would not be affected by them.
Additional support comes from the part you already quoted:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so
True seeing might give a creature the ability to see you, but it does not magically give them the ability to interact with you. You are still on a separate plane. Thus, they are not able to target you with effects for this reason as well as it is a type of interaction.
Spell which target by sight still have to meet other requirements
As a related aside: when a spell says that you must be able to see the target, it does not mean that this is the only requirement that the spell has for being able to target something. All spells, for example, must have a clear path to the target (unless something in the spell effect says otherwise) by default.
Though nothing says it explicitly in the rules, it seems the most logical ruling would be that you do not have a clear path to things on a separate plane from yourself. Spell effects cannot cross planar boundaries unless they explicitly say so. Adding a requirement that you must be able to see the target does not bypass these other considerations.
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I agree with you, but playing devil's advocate, while I understand the "can't perceive you can can't interact with you" part, if the prerequisite for the interaction is perception (being able to see the target, as in the Eyebite spell), then what's preventing the casting of the spell? Is it because as you say all spells cast on the Material Plane can't affect the Ethereal plane unless specifically noted in the spell text?
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@ricitron correct, also note the last paragraph because perception is not the only requisite for eyebite to take effect. You could not cast it at a creature behind a transparent sheet of glass completely covering it for example (because the spell does not have a clear path). I'll try to make that point clearer in my answer though.
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– Rubiksmoose
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Here's the Crawford tweet @PixelMaster mentioned: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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@ricitron yeah it seems kind of silly at first I agree, but clear path is actually a very important restriction in 5e's spellcasting rules and it applies to every spell unless that spell explicitly says otherwise.
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No, not unless a spell specifically allow it to cross planar boundaries
Etherealness says:
You ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane
Unless the caster has a means to transport their effect to the Ethereal Plane, all spell effects that they create will be in the Material Plane. And since a creature under the effects of etherealness is immune to effects not in the Ethereal Plane they would not be affected by them.
Additional support comes from the part you already quoted:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so
True seeing might give a creature the ability to see you, but it does not magically give them the ability to interact with you. You are still on a separate plane. Thus, they are not able to target you with effects for this reason as well as it is a type of interaction.
Spell which target by sight still have to meet other requirements
As a related aside: when a spell says that you must be able to see the target, it does not mean that this is the only requirement that the spell has for being able to target something. All spells, for example, must have a clear path to the target (unless something in the spell effect says otherwise) by default.
Though nothing says it explicitly in the rules, it seems the most logical ruling would be that you do not have a clear path to things on a separate plane from yourself. Spell effects cannot cross planar boundaries unless they explicitly say so. Adding a requirement that you must be able to see the target does not bypass these other considerations.
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No, not unless a spell specifically allow it to cross planar boundaries
Etherealness says:
You ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane
Unless the caster has a means to transport their effect to the Ethereal Plane, all spell effects that they create will be in the Material Plane. And since a creature under the effects of etherealness is immune to effects not in the Ethereal Plane they would not be affected by them.
Additional support comes from the part you already quoted:
Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so
True seeing might give a creature the ability to see you, but it does not magically give them the ability to interact with you. You are still on a separate plane. Thus, they are not able to target you with effects for this reason as well as it is a type of interaction.
Spell which target by sight still have to meet other requirements
As a related aside: when a spell says that you must be able to see the target, it does not mean that this is the only requirement that the spell has for being able to target something. All spells, for example, must have a clear path to the target (unless something in the spell effect says otherwise) by default.
Though nothing says it explicitly in the rules, it seems the most logical ruling would be that you do not have a clear path to things on a separate plane from yourself. Spell effects cannot cross planar boundaries unless they explicitly say so. Adding a requirement that you must be able to see the target does not bypass these other considerations.
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I agree with you, but playing devil's advocate, while I understand the "can't perceive you can can't interact with you" part, if the prerequisite for the interaction is perception (being able to see the target, as in the Eyebite spell), then what's preventing the casting of the spell? Is it because as you say all spells cast on the Material Plane can't affect the Ethereal plane unless specifically noted in the spell text?
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@ricitron correct, also note the last paragraph because perception is not the only requisite for eyebite to take effect. You could not cast it at a creature behind a transparent sheet of glass completely covering it for example (because the spell does not have a clear path). I'll try to make that point clearer in my answer though.
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– Rubiksmoose
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Here's the Crawford tweet @PixelMaster mentioned: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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@ricitron yeah it seems kind of silly at first I agree, but clear path is actually a very important restriction in 5e's spellcasting rules and it applies to every spell unless that spell explicitly says otherwise.
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I agree with you, but playing devil's advocate, while I understand the "can't perceive you can can't interact with you" part, if the prerequisite for the interaction is perception (being able to see the target, as in the Eyebite spell), then what's preventing the casting of the spell? Is it because as you say all spells cast on the Material Plane can't affect the Ethereal plane unless specifically noted in the spell text?
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@ricitron correct, also note the last paragraph because perception is not the only requisite for eyebite to take effect. You could not cast it at a creature behind a transparent sheet of glass completely covering it for example (because the spell does not have a clear path). I'll try to make that point clearer in my answer though.
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Here's the Crawford tweet @PixelMaster mentioned: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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@ricitron yeah it seems kind of silly at first I agree, but clear path is actually a very important restriction in 5e's spellcasting rules and it applies to every spell unless that spell explicitly says otherwise.
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– Rubiksmoose
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I agree with you, but playing devil's advocate, while I understand the "can't perceive you can can't interact with you" part, if the prerequisite for the interaction is perception (being able to see the target, as in the Eyebite spell), then what's preventing the casting of the spell? Is it because as you say all spells cast on the Material Plane can't affect the Ethereal plane unless specifically noted in the spell text?
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I agree with you, but playing devil's advocate, while I understand the "can't perceive you can can't interact with you" part, if the prerequisite for the interaction is perception (being able to see the target, as in the Eyebite spell), then what's preventing the casting of the spell? Is it because as you say all spells cast on the Material Plane can't affect the Ethereal plane unless specifically noted in the spell text?
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@ricitron correct, also note the last paragraph because perception is not the only requisite for eyebite to take effect. You could not cast it at a creature behind a transparent sheet of glass completely covering it for example (because the spell does not have a clear path). I'll try to make that point clearer in my answer though.
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– Rubiksmoose
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@ricitron correct, also note the last paragraph because perception is not the only requisite for eyebite to take effect. You could not cast it at a creature behind a transparent sheet of glass completely covering it for example (because the spell does not have a clear path). I'll try to make that point clearer in my answer though.
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Here's the Crawford tweet @PixelMaster mentioned: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:25
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Here's the Crawford tweet @PixelMaster mentioned: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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Apr 12 at 0:25
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@ricitron yeah it seems kind of silly at first I agree, but clear path is actually a very important restriction in 5e's spellcasting rules and it applies to every spell unless that spell explicitly says otherwise.
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@ricitron yeah it seems kind of silly at first I agree, but clear path is actually a very important restriction in 5e's spellcasting rules and it applies to every spell unless that spell explicitly says otherwise.
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Yes
While "[y]ou ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane", where a particular spell's effect happens depends on the target of the spell.
For example:
Fireball: "A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range ...". Your finger is on the material plane, therefore, so is the Fireball.
Hold Person: "Choose a humanoid that you can see within range." You can see them, they are in range (since distance on the Ethereal and the Material have a 1:1 correspondence), the spell can affect them regardless of which plane they are on.
Suggestion: "a creature you can see within range that can hear and understand you." If they can hear material things then it affects them, if they can't, it won't. We know from the Etherealness spell that material creatures can't "perceive" ethereal creatures without magic and True Seeing only covers sight not hearing. However, while we know ethereal creatures can see 60 feet into the material we don't know if they can hear into it - in the Forgotten Realms the answer appears no be no but your DM may rule yes.
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Relevant (unofficial) Crawford tweet: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:26
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@V2Blast which makes no sense with a spell like Forcecage
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:28
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For forcecage, it explicitly extends into the Ethereal Plane, so all you need to do is target the corresponding area in the Material Plane.
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:41
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@V2Blast yes, but they are infinitely far away so how can you be inside it?
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:42
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@ricitron I don't think it is confusing. Infinitely far away means you don't satisfy most cast range requirement.
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While "[y]ou ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane", where a particular spell's effect happens depends on the target of the spell.
For example:
Fireball: "A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range ...". Your finger is on the material plane, therefore, so is the Fireball.
Hold Person: "Choose a humanoid that you can see within range." You can see them, they are in range (since distance on the Ethereal and the Material have a 1:1 correspondence), the spell can affect them regardless of which plane they are on.
Suggestion: "a creature you can see within range that can hear and understand you." If they can hear material things then it affects them, if they can't, it won't. We know from the Etherealness spell that material creatures can't "perceive" ethereal creatures without magic and True Seeing only covers sight not hearing. However, while we know ethereal creatures can see 60 feet into the material we don't know if they can hear into it - in the Forgotten Realms the answer appears no be no but your DM may rule yes.
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Relevant (unofficial) Crawford tweet: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:26
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@V2Blast which makes no sense with a spell like Forcecage
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:28
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For forcecage, it explicitly extends into the Ethereal Plane, so all you need to do is target the corresponding area in the Material Plane.
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:41
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@V2Blast yes, but they are infinitely far away so how can you be inside it?
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:42
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@ricitron I don't think it is confusing. Infinitely far away means you don't satisfy most cast range requirement.
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– Vylix
Apr 13 at 2:36
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Yes
While "[y]ou ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane", where a particular spell's effect happens depends on the target of the spell.
For example:
Fireball: "A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range ...". Your finger is on the material plane, therefore, so is the Fireball.
Hold Person: "Choose a humanoid that you can see within range." You can see them, they are in range (since distance on the Ethereal and the Material have a 1:1 correspondence), the spell can affect them regardless of which plane they are on.
Suggestion: "a creature you can see within range that can hear and understand you." If they can hear material things then it affects them, if they can't, it won't. We know from the Etherealness spell that material creatures can't "perceive" ethereal creatures without magic and True Seeing only covers sight not hearing. However, while we know ethereal creatures can see 60 feet into the material we don't know if they can hear into it - in the Forgotten Realms the answer appears no be no but your DM may rule yes.
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Yes
While "[y]ou ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane", where a particular spell's effect happens depends on the target of the spell.
For example:
Fireball: "A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range ...". Your finger is on the material plane, therefore, so is the Fireball.
Hold Person: "Choose a humanoid that you can see within range." You can see them, they are in range (since distance on the Ethereal and the Material have a 1:1 correspondence), the spell can affect them regardless of which plane they are on.
Suggestion: "a creature you can see within range that can hear and understand you." If they can hear material things then it affects them, if they can't, it won't. We know from the Etherealness spell that material creatures can't "perceive" ethereal creatures without magic and True Seeing only covers sight not hearing. However, while we know ethereal creatures can see 60 feet into the material we don't know if they can hear into it - in the Forgotten Realms the answer appears no be no but your DM may rule yes.
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Relevant (unofficial) Crawford tweet: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:26
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@V2Blast which makes no sense with a spell like Forcecage
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:28
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For forcecage, it explicitly extends into the Ethereal Plane, so all you need to do is target the corresponding area in the Material Plane.
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:41
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@V2Blast yes, but they are infinitely far away so how can you be inside it?
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:42
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@ricitron I don't think it is confusing. Infinitely far away means you don't satisfy most cast range requirement.
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– Vylix
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Relevant (unofficial) Crawford tweet: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:26
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@V2Blast which makes no sense with a spell like Forcecage
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:28
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For forcecage, it explicitly extends into the Ethereal Plane, so all you need to do is target the corresponding area in the Material Plane.
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:41
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@V2Blast yes, but they are infinitely far away so how can you be inside it?
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:42
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@ricitron I don't think it is confusing. Infinitely far away means you don't satisfy most cast range requirement.
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– Vylix
Apr 13 at 2:36
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Relevant (unofficial) Crawford tweet: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:26
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Relevant (unofficial) Crawford tweet: "If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other."
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:26
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@V2Blast which makes no sense with a spell like Forcecage
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:28
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@V2Blast which makes no sense with a spell like Forcecage
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:28
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For forcecage, it explicitly extends into the Ethereal Plane, so all you need to do is target the corresponding area in the Material Plane.
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:41
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For forcecage, it explicitly extends into the Ethereal Plane, so all you need to do is target the corresponding area in the Material Plane.
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– V2Blast
Apr 12 at 0:41
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@V2Blast yes, but they are infinitely far away so how can you be inside it?
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:42
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@V2Blast yes, but they are infinitely far away so how can you be inside it?
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– Dale M
Apr 12 at 0:42
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@ricitron I don't think it is confusing. Infinitely far away means you don't satisfy most cast range requirement.
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– Vylix
Apr 13 at 2:36
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@ricitron I don't think it is confusing. Infinitely far away means you don't satisfy most cast range requirement.
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Most spells have a limited range at which you can cast them. If you and the target on a different planes of existence, you can't cast those spells because you are too far away from each other.
Rules designer Jeremy Crawford's unofficial tweet supports this:
If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other.
If a spell does not have a range limitation (which is very rare) to activate its effect, or specifically allows targeting something on another plane, you can use it to target something on another plane. One example of this is the sending spell.
Eyebite has a range of self, but you can only activate its effect on a creature within 60 feet, so you can't target someone in the Ethereal Plane, since both of you are not within 60 feet of each other.
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No
Most spells have a limited range at which you can cast them. If you and the target on a different planes of existence, you can't cast those spells because you are too far away from each other.
Rules designer Jeremy Crawford's unofficial tweet supports this:
If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other.
If a spell does not have a range limitation (which is very rare) to activate its effect, or specifically allows targeting something on another plane, you can use it to target something on another plane. One example of this is the sending spell.
Eyebite has a range of self, but you can only activate its effect on a creature within 60 feet, so you can't target someone in the Ethereal Plane, since both of you are not within 60 feet of each other.
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add a comment |
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No
Most spells have a limited range at which you can cast them. If you and the target on a different planes of existence, you can't cast those spells because you are too far away from each other.
Rules designer Jeremy Crawford's unofficial tweet supports this:
If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other.
If a spell does not have a range limitation (which is very rare) to activate its effect, or specifically allows targeting something on another plane, you can use it to target something on another plane. One example of this is the sending spell.
Eyebite has a range of self, but you can only activate its effect on a creature within 60 feet, so you can't target someone in the Ethereal Plane, since both of you are not within 60 feet of each other.
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No
Most spells have a limited range at which you can cast them. If you and the target on a different planes of existence, you can't cast those spells because you are too far away from each other.
Rules designer Jeremy Crawford's unofficial tweet supports this:
If two people are on different planes of existence, they are infinitely far away from each other. For example, if I'm on the Material Plane and you're on the Ethereal Plane, we're not within 30 feet of each other.
If a spell does not have a range limitation (which is very rare) to activate its effect, or specifically allows targeting something on another plane, you can use it to target something on another plane. One example of this is the sending spell.
Eyebite has a range of self, but you can only activate its effect on a creature within 60 feet, so you can't target someone in the Ethereal Plane, since both of you are not within 60 feet of each other.
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