Is “ein Herz wie das meine” an antiquated or colloquial use of the possesive pronoun?How do “attributiv” and “nicht attributiv” work?When to use which pronoun declination: mein, meiner, meine, meins, etcThe difference between “mein” and “meine”When are article + possessive pronoun constructions like “Der meine ist gut” used?Do I need to repeat the possessive pronoun for a second substantive?
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Is “ein Herz wie das meine” an antiquated or colloquial use of the possesive pronoun?
How do “attributiv” and “nicht attributiv” work?When to use which pronoun declination: mein, meiner, meine, meins, etcThe difference between “mein” and “meine”When are article + possessive pronoun constructions like “Der meine ist gut” used?Do I need to repeat the possessive pronoun for a second substantive?
I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther
Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?
I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.
If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?
ein Herz wie das meinem
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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther
Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?
I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.
If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?
ein Herz wie das meinem
possessive-pronouns
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wie das meinemis neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".
– Shegit Brahm
Apr 22 at 15:44
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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther
Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?
I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.
If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?
ein Herz wie das meinem
possessive-pronouns
edited Apr 22 at 21:22
sgf
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asked Apr 22 at 15:20
Austin ConderAustin Conder
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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther
Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?
I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.
If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?
ein Herz wie das meinem
possessive-pronouns
possessive-pronouns
edited Apr 22 at 21:22
sgf
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asked Apr 22 at 15:20
Austin ConderAustin Conder
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edited Apr 22 at 21:22
sgf
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asked Apr 22 at 15:20
Austin ConderAustin Conder
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edited Apr 22 at 21:22
sgf
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sgf
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sgf
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Austin ConderAustin Conder
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Austin ConderAustin Conder
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wie das meinemis neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".
– Shegit Brahm
Apr 22 at 15:44
add a comment |
4
wie das meinemis neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".
– Shegit Brahm
Apr 22 at 15:44
4
4
wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".– Shegit Brahm
Apr 22 at 15:44
wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".– Shegit Brahm
Apr 22 at 15:44
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No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).
In the Wiktionary
table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).
answered Apr 22 at 16:44
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As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
– rexkogitans
Apr 23 at 11:51
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This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.
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In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be
ein Herz wie meins
with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.
daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)
answered Apr 22 at 21:52
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Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
– c.p.
Apr 23 at 8:00
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No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).
In the Wiktionary table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).
answered Apr 22 at 16:44
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As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
– rexkogitans
Apr 23 at 11:51
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No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).
In the Wiktionary table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).
answered Apr 22 at 16:44
c.p.c.p.
19.7k969176
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As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
– rexkogitans
Apr 23 at 11:51
add a comment |
No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).
In the Wiktionary table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).
answered Apr 22 at 16:44
c.p.c.p.
19.7k969176
No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).
In the Wiktionary table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).
answered Apr 22 at 16:44
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As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
– rexkogitans
Apr 23 at 11:51
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As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
– rexkogitans
Apr 23 at 11:51
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As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
– rexkogitans
Apr 23 at 11:51
As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
– rexkogitans
Apr 23 at 11:51
add a comment |
This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.
edited Apr 23 at 9:27
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This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.
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This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.
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This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.
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In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be
ein Herz wie meins
with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.
daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)
answered Apr 22 at 21:52
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Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
– c.p.
Apr 23 at 8:00
add a comment |
In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be
ein Herz wie meins
with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.
daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)
answered Apr 22 at 21:52
David VogtDavid Vogt
5,7321332
1
Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
– c.p.
Apr 23 at 8:00
add a comment |
In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be
ein Herz wie meins
with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.
daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)
answered Apr 22 at 21:52
David VogtDavid Vogt
5,7321332
In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be
ein Herz wie meins
with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.
daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)
answered Apr 22 at 21:52
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David VogtDavid Vogt
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Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
– c.p.
Apr 23 at 8:00
add a comment |
1
Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
– c.p.
Apr 23 at 8:00
1
1
Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
– c.p.
Apr 23 at 8:00
Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
– c.p.
Apr 23 at 8:00
add a comment |
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wie das meinemis neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".– Shegit Brahm
Apr 22 at 15:44