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Can a Wizard take the Magic Initiate feat and select spells from the Wizard list?
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You can take Magic Initiate in your current class
This has been clarified in the Sage Advice Compendium:
If you’re a spellcaster, can you pick your own class when you gain the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, the feat doesn’t say you can’t. For example, if you’re a wizard and gain the Magic Initiate feat, you can choose wizard and thereby learn two more wizard cantrips and another 1st-level wizard spell.
The Sage Advice Compendium also points out the major advantage to choosing to do this: the ability to cast your Magic Initiate spells with your spell slots.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you pick for the feat is one of your classes.
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Yes, a wizard can take the Magic Initiate feat and select spells from the Wizard list.
The Magic Initiate feat gives you these classes to choose from:
bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard.
There is no wording which excludes you from taking a class you already have. This is just choosing which spell list you can choose from.
Furthermore, it specifies the number of spells and how they are cast and regained:
You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.In
addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn
that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you
must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Note the wording: The PHB seems to imply you cast and recover it using the feat, not your class' spellcasting feature. I.e., there are specific restrictions on how these spells are cast and regained. In most cases this means that the spells gained from the feat are "on the side". They are not part of your class and do not use its restrictions. However, a Sage Advice ruling has clarified that if the spells are in your class, they count as spells known and you can use your slots to cast them. From this we can infer without question that you can take the MI feat to add spells from your own class.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell
you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you
pick for the feat is one of your classes:
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I like this answer in general, but the last paragraph is problematic for me. I believe that if (and only if) you choose your own class for the Magic Initiate Feat, you can cast the 1st level spell you gain from the Feat with your spell slots (in addition to casting them once per long rest). This is backed up by the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8).
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@Gandalfmeansme You are entirely correct. If you choose a class you belong to, you can cast it using your normal spell slots, subject to the restrictions of that class. (For example, because a Sorcerer can cast any spell they know, they can cast the MI spell any time, but a Wizard can only cast spells they have prepared, so they can only cast the MI spell using their slots if they prepared it that day. Although they can still cast it once per day using the feat without preparing it first.)
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@Gandalfmeansme You are correct. I wrote that part before being aware of the Sage Advice ruling (which I feel does not support the wording in the PHB). I'll adjust that last paragraph.
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Your ruling is just as valid as SA :)
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There is no restriction on Wizards taking the Magic Initiate feat and taking additional Wizard spells
If there were such a restriction, the feat would say so.
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Your spellcasting ability for these spells depends on the class you chose: Charisma for bard, sorcerer, or warlock; Wisdom for cleric or druid: or Intelligence for wizard.
—Magic Initiate, Player's Handbook, pg. 168
Having said that, there's a few reasons why that's probably inadvisable. The biggest being the fact that Wizards aren't strictly limited to the spells that they're given by default at each level up, meaning the one extra spell you gain is relatively immaterial.
So by choosing this feat, the only real thing you're gaining is additional Wizard cantrips. If you really want the cantrips and don't want to dip Sorcerer for the 4 free cantrips, then I guess this is a viable solution. But in a general case, I'd say the benefits of a Wizard taking Magic Initiate for additional Wizard spells is relatively low.
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Taking the feat can also give you the one spell you can cast once per day without preparing it first, which might be useful if you have a spell you want to have handy without eating up a preparation slot - not enough for the feat by itself, but together with the two free cantrips...
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You can take Magic Initiate in your current class
This has been clarified in the Sage Advice Compendium:
If you’re a spellcaster, can you pick your own class when you gain the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, the feat doesn’t say you can’t. For example, if you’re a wizard and gain the Magic Initiate feat, you can choose wizard and thereby learn two more wizard cantrips and another 1st-level wizard spell.
The Sage Advice Compendium also points out the major advantage to choosing to do this: the ability to cast your Magic Initiate spells with your spell slots.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you pick for the feat is one of your classes.
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You can take Magic Initiate in your current class
This has been clarified in the Sage Advice Compendium:
If you’re a spellcaster, can you pick your own class when you gain the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, the feat doesn’t say you can’t. For example, if you’re a wizard and gain the Magic Initiate feat, you can choose wizard and thereby learn two more wizard cantrips and another 1st-level wizard spell.
The Sage Advice Compendium also points out the major advantage to choosing to do this: the ability to cast your Magic Initiate spells with your spell slots.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you pick for the feat is one of your classes.
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You can take Magic Initiate in your current class
This has been clarified in the Sage Advice Compendium:
If you’re a spellcaster, can you pick your own class when you gain the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, the feat doesn’t say you can’t. For example, if you’re a wizard and gain the Magic Initiate feat, you can choose wizard and thereby learn two more wizard cantrips and another 1st-level wizard spell.
The Sage Advice Compendium also points out the major advantage to choosing to do this: the ability to cast your Magic Initiate spells with your spell slots.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you pick for the feat is one of your classes.
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You can take Magic Initiate in your current class
This has been clarified in the Sage Advice Compendium:
If you’re a spellcaster, can you pick your own class when you gain the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, the feat doesn’t say you can’t. For example, if you’re a wizard and gain the Magic Initiate feat, you can choose wizard and thereby learn two more wizard cantrips and another 1st-level wizard spell.
The Sage Advice Compendium also points out the major advantage to choosing to do this: the ability to cast your Magic Initiate spells with your spell slots.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you pick for the feat is one of your classes.
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Yes, a wizard can take the Magic Initiate feat and select spells from the Wizard list.
The Magic Initiate feat gives you these classes to choose from:
bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard.
There is no wording which excludes you from taking a class you already have. This is just choosing which spell list you can choose from.
Furthermore, it specifies the number of spells and how they are cast and regained:
You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.In
addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn
that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you
must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Note the wording: The PHB seems to imply you cast and recover it using the feat, not your class' spellcasting feature. I.e., there are specific restrictions on how these spells are cast and regained. In most cases this means that the spells gained from the feat are "on the side". They are not part of your class and do not use its restrictions. However, a Sage Advice ruling has clarified that if the spells are in your class, they count as spells known and you can use your slots to cast them. From this we can infer without question that you can take the MI feat to add spells from your own class.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell
you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you
pick for the feat is one of your classes:
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I like this answer in general, but the last paragraph is problematic for me. I believe that if (and only if) you choose your own class for the Magic Initiate Feat, you can cast the 1st level spell you gain from the Feat with your spell slots (in addition to casting them once per long rest). This is backed up by the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8).
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@Gandalfmeansme You are entirely correct. If you choose a class you belong to, you can cast it using your normal spell slots, subject to the restrictions of that class. (For example, because a Sorcerer can cast any spell they know, they can cast the MI spell any time, but a Wizard can only cast spells they have prepared, so they can only cast the MI spell using their slots if they prepared it that day. Although they can still cast it once per day using the feat without preparing it first.)
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@Gandalfmeansme You are correct. I wrote that part before being aware of the Sage Advice ruling (which I feel does not support the wording in the PHB). I'll adjust that last paragraph.
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Your ruling is just as valid as SA :)
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Yes, a wizard can take the Magic Initiate feat and select spells from the Wizard list.
The Magic Initiate feat gives you these classes to choose from:
bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard.
There is no wording which excludes you from taking a class you already have. This is just choosing which spell list you can choose from.
Furthermore, it specifies the number of spells and how they are cast and regained:
You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.In
addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn
that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you
must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Note the wording: The PHB seems to imply you cast and recover it using the feat, not your class' spellcasting feature. I.e., there are specific restrictions on how these spells are cast and regained. In most cases this means that the spells gained from the feat are "on the side". They are not part of your class and do not use its restrictions. However, a Sage Advice ruling has clarified that if the spells are in your class, they count as spells known and you can use your slots to cast them. From this we can infer without question that you can take the MI feat to add spells from your own class.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell
you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you
pick for the feat is one of your classes:
answered Apr 22 at 16:25
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I like this answer in general, but the last paragraph is problematic for me. I believe that if (and only if) you choose your own class for the Magic Initiate Feat, you can cast the 1st level spell you gain from the Feat with your spell slots (in addition to casting them once per long rest). This is backed up by the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8).
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– Gandalfmeansme
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@Gandalfmeansme You are entirely correct. If you choose a class you belong to, you can cast it using your normal spell slots, subject to the restrictions of that class. (For example, because a Sorcerer can cast any spell they know, they can cast the MI spell any time, but a Wizard can only cast spells they have prepared, so they can only cast the MI spell using their slots if they prepared it that day. Although they can still cast it once per day using the feat without preparing it first.)
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@Gandalfmeansme You are correct. I wrote that part before being aware of the Sage Advice ruling (which I feel does not support the wording in the PHB). I'll adjust that last paragraph.
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Your ruling is just as valid as SA :)
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Yes, a wizard can take the Magic Initiate feat and select spells from the Wizard list.
The Magic Initiate feat gives you these classes to choose from:
bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard.
There is no wording which excludes you from taking a class you already have. This is just choosing which spell list you can choose from.
Furthermore, it specifies the number of spells and how they are cast and regained:
You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.In
addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn
that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you
must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Note the wording: The PHB seems to imply you cast and recover it using the feat, not your class' spellcasting feature. I.e., there are specific restrictions on how these spells are cast and regained. In most cases this means that the spells gained from the feat are "on the side". They are not part of your class and do not use its restrictions. However, a Sage Advice ruling has clarified that if the spells are in your class, they count as spells known and you can use your slots to cast them. From this we can infer without question that you can take the MI feat to add spells from your own class.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell
you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you
pick for the feat is one of your classes:
answered Apr 22 at 16:25
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Yes, a wizard can take the Magic Initiate feat and select spells from the Wizard list.
The Magic Initiate feat gives you these classes to choose from:
bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard.
There is no wording which excludes you from taking a class you already have. This is just choosing which spell list you can choose from.
Furthermore, it specifies the number of spells and how they are cast and regained:
You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.In
addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn
that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you
must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Note the wording: The PHB seems to imply you cast and recover it using the feat, not your class' spellcasting feature. I.e., there are specific restrictions on how these spells are cast and regained. In most cases this means that the spells gained from the feat are "on the side". They are not part of your class and do not use its restrictions. However, a Sage Advice ruling has clarified that if the spells are in your class, they count as spells known and you can use your slots to cast them. From this we can infer without question that you can take the MI feat to add spells from your own class.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st level spell
you learn with the Magic Initiate feat? Yes, but only if the class you
pick for the feat is one of your classes:
answered Apr 22 at 16:25
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edited Apr 23 at 14:19
answered Apr 22 at 16:25
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answered Apr 22 at 16:25
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I like this answer in general, but the last paragraph is problematic for me. I believe that if (and only if) you choose your own class for the Magic Initiate Feat, you can cast the 1st level spell you gain from the Feat with your spell slots (in addition to casting them once per long rest). This is backed up by the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8).
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– Gandalfmeansme
Apr 22 at 19:16
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@Gandalfmeansme You are entirely correct. If you choose a class you belong to, you can cast it using your normal spell slots, subject to the restrictions of that class. (For example, because a Sorcerer can cast any spell they know, they can cast the MI spell any time, but a Wizard can only cast spells they have prepared, so they can only cast the MI spell using their slots if they prepared it that day. Although they can still cast it once per day using the feat without preparing it first.)
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:11
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@Gandalfmeansme You are correct. I wrote that part before being aware of the Sage Advice ruling (which I feel does not support the wording in the PHB). I'll adjust that last paragraph.
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– keithcurtis
Apr 22 at 23:57
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Your ruling is just as valid as SA :)
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– NautArch
Apr 23 at 0:11
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True, but I tend to give a lot of weight the the collected pdf in my answers. It's not the SageAdvice.eu collection of tweets, but the curated list from WotC, which, although not official, gives insight to the intent of the rules.
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I like this answer in general, but the last paragraph is problematic for me. I believe that if (and only if) you choose your own class for the Magic Initiate Feat, you can cast the 1st level spell you gain from the Feat with your spell slots (in addition to casting them once per long rest). This is backed up by the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8).
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– Gandalfmeansme
Apr 22 at 19:16
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@Gandalfmeansme You are entirely correct. If you choose a class you belong to, you can cast it using your normal spell slots, subject to the restrictions of that class. (For example, because a Sorcerer can cast any spell they know, they can cast the MI spell any time, but a Wizard can only cast spells they have prepared, so they can only cast the MI spell using their slots if they prepared it that day. Although they can still cast it once per day using the feat without preparing it first.)
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:11
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@Gandalfmeansme You are correct. I wrote that part before being aware of the Sage Advice ruling (which I feel does not support the wording in the PHB). I'll adjust that last paragraph.
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– keithcurtis
Apr 22 at 23:57
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Your ruling is just as valid as SA :)
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– NautArch
Apr 23 at 0:11
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True, but I tend to give a lot of weight the the collected pdf in my answers. It's not the SageAdvice.eu collection of tweets, but the curated list from WotC, which, although not official, gives insight to the intent of the rules.
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– keithcurtis
Apr 23 at 0:25
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I like this answer in general, but the last paragraph is problematic for me. I believe that if (and only if) you choose your own class for the Magic Initiate Feat, you can cast the 1st level spell you gain from the Feat with your spell slots (in addition to casting them once per long rest). This is backed up by the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8).
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– Gandalfmeansme
Apr 22 at 19:16
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I like this answer in general, but the last paragraph is problematic for me. I believe that if (and only if) you choose your own class for the Magic Initiate Feat, you can cast the 1st level spell you gain from the Feat with your spell slots (in addition to casting them once per long rest). This is backed up by the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8).
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– Gandalfmeansme
Apr 22 at 19:16
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@Gandalfmeansme You are entirely correct. If you choose a class you belong to, you can cast it using your normal spell slots, subject to the restrictions of that class. (For example, because a Sorcerer can cast any spell they know, they can cast the MI spell any time, but a Wizard can only cast spells they have prepared, so they can only cast the MI spell using their slots if they prepared it that day. Although they can still cast it once per day using the feat without preparing it first.)
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:11
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@Gandalfmeansme You are entirely correct. If you choose a class you belong to, you can cast it using your normal spell slots, subject to the restrictions of that class. (For example, because a Sorcerer can cast any spell they know, they can cast the MI spell any time, but a Wizard can only cast spells they have prepared, so they can only cast the MI spell using their slots if they prepared it that day. Although they can still cast it once per day using the feat without preparing it first.)
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:11
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@Gandalfmeansme You are correct. I wrote that part before being aware of the Sage Advice ruling (which I feel does not support the wording in the PHB). I'll adjust that last paragraph.
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– keithcurtis
Apr 22 at 23:57
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@Gandalfmeansme You are correct. I wrote that part before being aware of the Sage Advice ruling (which I feel does not support the wording in the PHB). I'll adjust that last paragraph.
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– keithcurtis
Apr 22 at 23:57
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Your ruling is just as valid as SA :)
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– NautArch
Apr 23 at 0:11
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Your ruling is just as valid as SA :)
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– NautArch
Apr 23 at 0:11
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True, but I tend to give a lot of weight the the collected pdf in my answers. It's not the SageAdvice.eu collection of tweets, but the curated list from WotC, which, although not official, gives insight to the intent of the rules.
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– keithcurtis
Apr 23 at 0:25
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True, but I tend to give a lot of weight the the collected pdf in my answers. It's not the SageAdvice.eu collection of tweets, but the curated list from WotC, which, although not official, gives insight to the intent of the rules.
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– keithcurtis
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There is no restriction on Wizards taking the Magic Initiate feat and taking additional Wizard spells
If there were such a restriction, the feat would say so.
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Your spellcasting ability for these spells depends on the class you chose: Charisma for bard, sorcerer, or warlock; Wisdom for cleric or druid: or Intelligence for wizard.
—Magic Initiate, Player's Handbook, pg. 168
Having said that, there's a few reasons why that's probably inadvisable. The biggest being the fact that Wizards aren't strictly limited to the spells that they're given by default at each level up, meaning the one extra spell you gain is relatively immaterial.
So by choosing this feat, the only real thing you're gaining is additional Wizard cantrips. If you really want the cantrips and don't want to dip Sorcerer for the 4 free cantrips, then I guess this is a viable solution. But in a general case, I'd say the benefits of a Wizard taking Magic Initiate for additional Wizard spells is relatively low.
answered Apr 22 at 16:22
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Or if you have horrible CHA.
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– Stackstuck
Apr 22 at 17:31
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@Stackstuck you can just take the utility cantrips with Sorcerer, where your abilities do not matter, and combat cantrips from Wizard
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– András
Apr 22 at 20:54
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Taking the feat can also give you the one spell you can cast once per day without preparing it first, which might be useful if you have a spell you want to have handy without eating up a preparation slot - not enough for the feat by itself, but together with the two free cantrips...
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:13
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There is no restriction on Wizards taking the Magic Initiate feat and taking additional Wizard spells
If there were such a restriction, the feat would say so.
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Your spellcasting ability for these spells depends on the class you chose: Charisma for bard, sorcerer, or warlock; Wisdom for cleric or druid: or Intelligence for wizard.
—Magic Initiate, Player's Handbook, pg. 168
Having said that, there's a few reasons why that's probably inadvisable. The biggest being the fact that Wizards aren't strictly limited to the spells that they're given by default at each level up, meaning the one extra spell you gain is relatively immaterial.
So by choosing this feat, the only real thing you're gaining is additional Wizard cantrips. If you really want the cantrips and don't want to dip Sorcerer for the 4 free cantrips, then I guess this is a viable solution. But in a general case, I'd say the benefits of a Wizard taking Magic Initiate for additional Wizard spells is relatively low.
answered Apr 22 at 16:22
XiremaXirema
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Or if you have horrible CHA.
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– Stackstuck
Apr 22 at 17:31
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@Stackstuck you can just take the utility cantrips with Sorcerer, where your abilities do not matter, and combat cantrips from Wizard
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– András
Apr 22 at 20:54
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Taking the feat can also give you the one spell you can cast once per day without preparing it first, which might be useful if you have a spell you want to have handy without eating up a preparation slot - not enough for the feat by itself, but together with the two free cantrips...
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:13
add a comment |
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There is no restriction on Wizards taking the Magic Initiate feat and taking additional Wizard spells
If there were such a restriction, the feat would say so.
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Your spellcasting ability for these spells depends on the class you chose: Charisma for bard, sorcerer, or warlock; Wisdom for cleric or druid: or Intelligence for wizard.
—Magic Initiate, Player's Handbook, pg. 168
Having said that, there's a few reasons why that's probably inadvisable. The biggest being the fact that Wizards aren't strictly limited to the spells that they're given by default at each level up, meaning the one extra spell you gain is relatively immaterial.
So by choosing this feat, the only real thing you're gaining is additional Wizard cantrips. If you really want the cantrips and don't want to dip Sorcerer for the 4 free cantrips, then I guess this is a viable solution. But in a general case, I'd say the benefits of a Wizard taking Magic Initiate for additional Wizard spells is relatively low.
answered Apr 22 at 16:22
XiremaXirema
25.3k371149
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There is no restriction on Wizards taking the Magic Initiate feat and taking additional Wizard spells
If there were such a restriction, the feat would say so.
Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.
In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
Your spellcasting ability for these spells depends on the class you chose: Charisma for bard, sorcerer, or warlock; Wisdom for cleric or druid: or Intelligence for wizard.
—Magic Initiate, Player's Handbook, pg. 168
Having said that, there's a few reasons why that's probably inadvisable. The biggest being the fact that Wizards aren't strictly limited to the spells that they're given by default at each level up, meaning the one extra spell you gain is relatively immaterial.
So by choosing this feat, the only real thing you're gaining is additional Wizard cantrips. If you really want the cantrips and don't want to dip Sorcerer for the 4 free cantrips, then I guess this is a viable solution. But in a general case, I'd say the benefits of a Wizard taking Magic Initiate for additional Wizard spells is relatively low.
answered Apr 22 at 16:22
XiremaXirema
25.3k371149
answered Apr 22 at 16:22
XiremaXirema
25.3k371149
answered Apr 22 at 16:22
XiremaXirema
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answered Apr 22 at 16:22
XiremaXirema
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Or if you have horrible CHA.
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– Stackstuck
Apr 22 at 17:31
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@Stackstuck you can just take the utility cantrips with Sorcerer, where your abilities do not matter, and combat cantrips from Wizard
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– András
Apr 22 at 20:54
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Taking the feat can also give you the one spell you can cast once per day without preparing it first, which might be useful if you have a spell you want to have handy without eating up a preparation slot - not enough for the feat by itself, but together with the two free cantrips...
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:13
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Or if you have horrible CHA.
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– Stackstuck
Apr 22 at 17:31
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@Stackstuck you can just take the utility cantrips with Sorcerer, where your abilities do not matter, and combat cantrips from Wizard
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– András
Apr 22 at 20:54
2
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Taking the feat can also give you the one spell you can cast once per day without preparing it first, which might be useful if you have a spell you want to have handy without eating up a preparation slot - not enough for the feat by itself, but together with the two free cantrips...
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:13
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1
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Or if you have horrible CHA.
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– Stackstuck
Apr 22 at 17:31
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Or if you have horrible CHA.
$endgroup$
– Stackstuck
Apr 22 at 17:31
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@Stackstuck you can just take the utility cantrips with Sorcerer, where your abilities do not matter, and combat cantrips from Wizard
$endgroup$
– András
Apr 22 at 20:54
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@Stackstuck you can just take the utility cantrips with Sorcerer, where your abilities do not matter, and combat cantrips from Wizard
$endgroup$
– András
Apr 22 at 20:54
2
2
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Taking the feat can also give you the one spell you can cast once per day without preparing it first, which might be useful if you have a spell you want to have handy without eating up a preparation slot - not enough for the feat by itself, but together with the two free cantrips...
$endgroup$
– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:13
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Taking the feat can also give you the one spell you can cast once per day without preparing it first, which might be useful if you have a spell you want to have handy without eating up a preparation slot - not enough for the feat by itself, but together with the two free cantrips...
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– gatherer818
Apr 22 at 21:13
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