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How can we prove that any integral in the set of non-elementary integrals cannot be expressed in the form of elementary functions?



The Next CEO of Stack OverflowHow can you prove that a function has no closed form integral?Can every definite integral be expressed as a combination of elementary functions?Showing that an integral can not be expressed in terms of elementary functionsRepresent an Integral by non-elementary functionsWhat does it mean when an integral cannot be solved in terms of elementary functions?Prove that primitives of $fracx^3rm e^x - 1$ have no closed form in terms of elementary functionsCan you add new functions to the set of elementary functions such that every function has an anti-derivative?Can a change of variable result in the evaluation of an integral in terms of elementary functions, whereas before the c.o.v. this was not possible?Can I create a set of new elementary functions such that their integral is an elementary function?How to prove $int frac1(xsin(x))^2,dx$ doesnt have an elementary closed form?










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We know that the derivative of some non-elementary functions can be expressed in elementary functions. For example $ fracddx Si(x)= fracsin(x)x $



So similarly are there any non-elementary functions whose integrals can be expressed in elementary functions?



If not then how can we prove that any integral in the set of non-elementary integrals cannot be expressed in the form of elementary functions?










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We know that the derivative of some non-elementary functions can be expressed in elementary functions. For example $ fracddx Si(x)= fracsin(x)x $



So similarly are there any non-elementary functions whose integrals can be expressed in elementary functions?



If not then how can we prove that any integral in the set of non-elementary integrals cannot be expressed in the form of elementary functions?










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We know that the derivative of some non-elementary functions can be expressed in elementary functions. For example $ fracddx Si(x)= fracsin(x)x $



So similarly are there any non-elementary functions whose integrals can be expressed in elementary functions?



If not then how can we prove that any integral in the set of non-elementary integrals cannot be expressed in the form of elementary functions?










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We know that the derivative of some non-elementary functions can be expressed in elementary functions. For example $ fracddx Si(x)= fracsin(x)x $



So similarly are there any non-elementary functions whose integrals can be expressed in elementary functions?



If not then how can we prove that any integral in the set of non-elementary integrals cannot be expressed in the form of elementary functions?







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The derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function: the standard Calculus 1 differentiation methods can be used to find this derivative. So an antiderivative of a non-elementary function can't be elementary.



EDIT: More formally, by definition an elementary function is obtained from
complex constants and the variable $x$ by a finite number of steps of the following forms:



  1. If $f_1$ and $f_2$ are elementary functions, then $f_1 + f_2$, $f_1 f_2$ and (if $f_2 ne 0$) $f_1/f_2$ are elementary.

  2. If $P$ is a non-constant polynomial whose coefficients are elementary functions, then a function $f$ such that $P(f) = 0$ is an elementary function.

  3. If $g$ is an elementary function, then a function $f$ such that $f' = g' f$ or $f' = g'/g$ is elementary (this is how $e^g$ and $log g$ are elementary).

To prove that the derivative of an elementary function, you can use induction on the number of these steps. In the induction step, suppose
the result is true for elementary functions obtained in at most $n$ steps.
If $f$ can be obtained in $n+1$ steps, the last being $f = f_1 + f_2$ where $f_1$ and $f_2$ each require at most $n$ steps, then $f' = f_1' + f_2'$ where $f_1'$ and $f_2'$ are elementary, and therefore $f'$ is elementary. Similarly for the other possibilities for the last step.






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    @RithikKapoor Frankly sir, common sense. Writing an explicit formal proof might be tricky but we already know that any composition of elementary functions can be handled with the chain, product, division, and addition rules. If you're asking how to formalize it, fair enough. However if you are asking "How do I know this is true" then it follows by simple observance.
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No, the derivative of an elementary function is elementary; some integrals were defined specifically as the antiderivative of certain functions because that function otherwise would have no closed-form antiderivative.



An anti-derivative of a non-elementary function cannot be an elementary function.






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    Yes, and I can provide a simple counter-example.



    Let $f(x)$ be piece-wise defined such that $f(x) = x^2$ for $x neq 0$ and such that $f(0) = 300$.



    This is not an elementary function. However its integral is $F(x) = frac 13x^3 + c$ which is elementary.



    For a slightly more "non-elementary" example just make $f(x) = -500$ whenever $x$ is an integer multiple of $n = 0.0001$. Feel free to keep decreasing $n$ to make the function messier and messier.



    However, if you want a continuous non-elementary $f$ then no. If $f$ is continuous then by one of the fundamental theorems of calculus $F'(x) = f(x)$ and the derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function. Furthermore, if you want that $f$ is an integral of some other $h$ then it follows that $f$ is continuous as the integral of any real valued function defined everywhere is a continuous function. So this will only work with discontinuous $f$'s that are not integrals of other functions.



    In short the set of derivatives of elementary functions $neq$ the set of anti-integrals of elementary functions.






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      @J.M.isnotamathematician As I said, there are much messier example and I gave one. The definition of elementary is tenuous at best. Provide a detailed analytical definition and I'll say whether something fits inside it. Until then, there's no real way to tell for sure. Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept. Regardless, I can easily keep cranking up the complexity on the counter-example so it doesn't change the result if I mis-identify some simpler function as being non-elementary.
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    The derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function: the standard Calculus 1 differentiation methods can be used to find this derivative. So an antiderivative of a non-elementary function can't be elementary.



    EDIT: More formally, by definition an elementary function is obtained from
    complex constants and the variable $x$ by a finite number of steps of the following forms:



    1. If $f_1$ and $f_2$ are elementary functions, then $f_1 + f_2$, $f_1 f_2$ and (if $f_2 ne 0$) $f_1/f_2$ are elementary.

    2. If $P$ is a non-constant polynomial whose coefficients are elementary functions, then a function $f$ such that $P(f) = 0$ is an elementary function.

    3. If $g$ is an elementary function, then a function $f$ such that $f' = g' f$ or $f' = g'/g$ is elementary (this is how $e^g$ and $log g$ are elementary).

    To prove that the derivative of an elementary function, you can use induction on the number of these steps. In the induction step, suppose
    the result is true for elementary functions obtained in at most $n$ steps.
    If $f$ can be obtained in $n+1$ steps, the last being $f = f_1 + f_2$ where $f_1$ and $f_2$ each require at most $n$ steps, then $f' = f_1' + f_2'$ where $f_1'$ and $f_2'$ are elementary, and therefore $f'$ is elementary. Similarly for the other possibilities for the last step.






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      Okay then how can we prove the derivative of an elementary function is always an elementary function?
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      @RithikKapoor Frankly sir, common sense. Writing an explicit formal proof might be tricky but we already know that any composition of elementary functions can be handled with the chain, product, division, and addition rules. If you're asking how to formalize it, fair enough. However if you are asking "How do I know this is true" then it follows by simple observance.
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      @TheGreatDuck, before anything else, what would you say about the function $fracx+sqrtx^22x$?
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      The Heaviside step function is elementary, according to (2), as it satisfies $f^2 - f = 0$.
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    The derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function: the standard Calculus 1 differentiation methods can be used to find this derivative. So an antiderivative of a non-elementary function can't be elementary.



    EDIT: More formally, by definition an elementary function is obtained from
    complex constants and the variable $x$ by a finite number of steps of the following forms:



    1. If $f_1$ and $f_2$ are elementary functions, then $f_1 + f_2$, $f_1 f_2$ and (if $f_2 ne 0$) $f_1/f_2$ are elementary.

    2. If $P$ is a non-constant polynomial whose coefficients are elementary functions, then a function $f$ such that $P(f) = 0$ is an elementary function.

    3. If $g$ is an elementary function, then a function $f$ such that $f' = g' f$ or $f' = g'/g$ is elementary (this is how $e^g$ and $log g$ are elementary).

    To prove that the derivative of an elementary function, you can use induction on the number of these steps. In the induction step, suppose
    the result is true for elementary functions obtained in at most $n$ steps.
    If $f$ can be obtained in $n+1$ steps, the last being $f = f_1 + f_2$ where $f_1$ and $f_2$ each require at most $n$ steps, then $f' = f_1' + f_2'$ where $f_1'$ and $f_2'$ are elementary, and therefore $f'$ is elementary. Similarly for the other possibilities for the last step.






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      Okay then how can we prove the derivative of an elementary function is always an elementary function?
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      @RithikKapoor Frankly sir, common sense. Writing an explicit formal proof might be tricky but we already know that any composition of elementary functions can be handled with the chain, product, division, and addition rules. If you're asking how to formalize it, fair enough. However if you are asking "How do I know this is true" then it follows by simple observance.
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      @TheGreatDuck, before anything else, what would you say about the function $fracx+sqrtx^22x$?
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      The Heaviside step function is elementary, according to (2), as it satisfies $f^2 - f = 0$.
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    The derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function: the standard Calculus 1 differentiation methods can be used to find this derivative. So an antiderivative of a non-elementary function can't be elementary.



    EDIT: More formally, by definition an elementary function is obtained from
    complex constants and the variable $x$ by a finite number of steps of the following forms:



    1. If $f_1$ and $f_2$ are elementary functions, then $f_1 + f_2$, $f_1 f_2$ and (if $f_2 ne 0$) $f_1/f_2$ are elementary.

    2. If $P$ is a non-constant polynomial whose coefficients are elementary functions, then a function $f$ such that $P(f) = 0$ is an elementary function.

    3. If $g$ is an elementary function, then a function $f$ such that $f' = g' f$ or $f' = g'/g$ is elementary (this is how $e^g$ and $log g$ are elementary).

    To prove that the derivative of an elementary function, you can use induction on the number of these steps. In the induction step, suppose
    the result is true for elementary functions obtained in at most $n$ steps.
    If $f$ can be obtained in $n+1$ steps, the last being $f = f_1 + f_2$ where $f_1$ and $f_2$ each require at most $n$ steps, then $f' = f_1' + f_2'$ where $f_1'$ and $f_2'$ are elementary, and therefore $f'$ is elementary. Similarly for the other possibilities for the last step.






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    The derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function: the standard Calculus 1 differentiation methods can be used to find this derivative. So an antiderivative of a non-elementary function can't be elementary.



    EDIT: More formally, by definition an elementary function is obtained from
    complex constants and the variable $x$ by a finite number of steps of the following forms:



    1. If $f_1$ and $f_2$ are elementary functions, then $f_1 + f_2$, $f_1 f_2$ and (if $f_2 ne 0$) $f_1/f_2$ are elementary.

    2. If $P$ is a non-constant polynomial whose coefficients are elementary functions, then a function $f$ such that $P(f) = 0$ is an elementary function.

    3. If $g$ is an elementary function, then a function $f$ such that $f' = g' f$ or $f' = g'/g$ is elementary (this is how $e^g$ and $log g$ are elementary).

    To prove that the derivative of an elementary function, you can use induction on the number of these steps. In the induction step, suppose
    the result is true for elementary functions obtained in at most $n$ steps.
    If $f$ can be obtained in $n+1$ steps, the last being $f = f_1 + f_2$ where $f_1$ and $f_2$ each require at most $n$ steps, then $f' = f_1' + f_2'$ where $f_1'$ and $f_2'$ are elementary, and therefore $f'$ is elementary. Similarly for the other possibilities for the last step.







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      Okay then how can we prove the derivative of an elementary function is always an elementary function?
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      @RithikKapoor Frankly sir, common sense. Writing an explicit formal proof might be tricky but we already know that any composition of elementary functions can be handled with the chain, product, division, and addition rules. If you're asking how to formalize it, fair enough. However if you are asking "How do I know this is true" then it follows by simple observance.
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      Query. What if we include the Heaviside step function as an elementary function? Would this have any affect on the answer?
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      @TheGreatDuck, before anything else, what would you say about the function $fracx+sqrtx^22x$?
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      The Heaviside step function is elementary, according to (2), as it satisfies $f^2 - f = 0$.
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      Okay then how can we prove the derivative of an elementary function is always an elementary function?
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      @RithikKapoor Frankly sir, common sense. Writing an explicit formal proof might be tricky but we already know that any composition of elementary functions can be handled with the chain, product, division, and addition rules. If you're asking how to formalize it, fair enough. However if you are asking "How do I know this is true" then it follows by simple observance.
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      Query. What if we include the Heaviside step function as an elementary function? Would this have any affect on the answer?
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      @TheGreatDuck, before anything else, what would you say about the function $fracx+sqrtx^22x$?
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      The Heaviside step function is elementary, according to (2), as it satisfies $f^2 - f = 0$.
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    Okay then how can we prove the derivative of an elementary function is always an elementary function?
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    Okay then how can we prove the derivative of an elementary function is always an elementary function?
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    @RithikKapoor Frankly sir, common sense. Writing an explicit formal proof might be tricky but we already know that any composition of elementary functions can be handled with the chain, product, division, and addition rules. If you're asking how to formalize it, fair enough. However if you are asking "How do I know this is true" then it follows by simple observance.
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    @RithikKapoor Frankly sir, common sense. Writing an explicit formal proof might be tricky but we already know that any composition of elementary functions can be handled with the chain, product, division, and addition rules. If you're asking how to formalize it, fair enough. However if you are asking "How do I know this is true" then it follows by simple observance.
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    Query. What if we include the Heaviside step function as an elementary function? Would this have any affect on the answer?
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    The Heaviside step function is elementary, according to (2), as it satisfies $f^2 - f = 0$.
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    No, the derivative of an elementary function is elementary; some integrals were defined specifically as the antiderivative of certain functions because that function otherwise would have no closed-form antiderivative.



    An anti-derivative of a non-elementary function cannot be an elementary function.






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      No, the derivative of an elementary function is elementary; some integrals were defined specifically as the antiderivative of certain functions because that function otherwise would have no closed-form antiderivative.



      An anti-derivative of a non-elementary function cannot be an elementary function.






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        No, the derivative of an elementary function is elementary; some integrals were defined specifically as the antiderivative of certain functions because that function otherwise would have no closed-form antiderivative.



        An anti-derivative of a non-elementary function cannot be an elementary function.






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        No, the derivative of an elementary function is elementary; some integrals were defined specifically as the antiderivative of certain functions because that function otherwise would have no closed-form antiderivative.



        An anti-derivative of a non-elementary function cannot be an elementary function.







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            Yes, and I can provide a simple counter-example.



            Let $f(x)$ be piece-wise defined such that $f(x) = x^2$ for $x neq 0$ and such that $f(0) = 300$.



            This is not an elementary function. However its integral is $F(x) = frac 13x^3 + c$ which is elementary.



            For a slightly more "non-elementary" example just make $f(x) = -500$ whenever $x$ is an integer multiple of $n = 0.0001$. Feel free to keep decreasing $n$ to make the function messier and messier.



            However, if you want a continuous non-elementary $f$ then no. If $f$ is continuous then by one of the fundamental theorems of calculus $F'(x) = f(x)$ and the derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function. Furthermore, if you want that $f$ is an integral of some other $h$ then it follows that $f$ is continuous as the integral of any real valued function defined everywhere is a continuous function. So this will only work with discontinuous $f$'s that are not integrals of other functions.



            In short the set of derivatives of elementary functions $neq$ the set of anti-integrals of elementary functions.






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              Why is a piecewise function with elementary cases not elementary?
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              – J. M. is not a mathematician
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              @J.M.isnotamathematician an infinite number of cases?
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              – The Great Duck
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              $begingroup$
              I am talking about your second sentence. You give a quadratic function with a hole and say that it is nonelementary.
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            • $begingroup$
              @J.M.isnotamathematician As I said, there are much messier example and I gave one. The definition of elementary is tenuous at best. Provide a detailed analytical definition and I'll say whether something fits inside it. Until then, there's no real way to tell for sure. Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept. Regardless, I can easily keep cranking up the complexity on the counter-example so it doesn't change the result if I mis-identify some simpler function as being non-elementary.
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              – The Great Duck
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            • 2




              $begingroup$
              "Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept." - in this regard at least, we are in agreement.
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            Yes, and I can provide a simple counter-example.



            Let $f(x)$ be piece-wise defined such that $f(x) = x^2$ for $x neq 0$ and such that $f(0) = 300$.



            This is not an elementary function. However its integral is $F(x) = frac 13x^3 + c$ which is elementary.



            For a slightly more "non-elementary" example just make $f(x) = -500$ whenever $x$ is an integer multiple of $n = 0.0001$. Feel free to keep decreasing $n$ to make the function messier and messier.



            However, if you want a continuous non-elementary $f$ then no. If $f$ is continuous then by one of the fundamental theorems of calculus $F'(x) = f(x)$ and the derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function. Furthermore, if you want that $f$ is an integral of some other $h$ then it follows that $f$ is continuous as the integral of any real valued function defined everywhere is a continuous function. So this will only work with discontinuous $f$'s that are not integrals of other functions.



            In short the set of derivatives of elementary functions $neq$ the set of anti-integrals of elementary functions.






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              $begingroup$
              Why is a piecewise function with elementary cases not elementary?
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday










            • $begingroup$
              @J.M.isnotamathematician an infinite number of cases?
              $endgroup$
              – The Great Duck
              yesterday






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              I am talking about your second sentence. You give a quadratic function with a hole and say that it is nonelementary.
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday










            • $begingroup$
              @J.M.isnotamathematician As I said, there are much messier example and I gave one. The definition of elementary is tenuous at best. Provide a detailed analytical definition and I'll say whether something fits inside it. Until then, there's no real way to tell for sure. Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept. Regardless, I can easily keep cranking up the complexity on the counter-example so it doesn't change the result if I mis-identify some simpler function as being non-elementary.
              $endgroup$
              – The Great Duck
              yesterday






            • 2




              $begingroup$
              "Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept." - in this regard at least, we are in agreement.
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday













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            Yes, and I can provide a simple counter-example.



            Let $f(x)$ be piece-wise defined such that $f(x) = x^2$ for $x neq 0$ and such that $f(0) = 300$.



            This is not an elementary function. However its integral is $F(x) = frac 13x^3 + c$ which is elementary.



            For a slightly more "non-elementary" example just make $f(x) = -500$ whenever $x$ is an integer multiple of $n = 0.0001$. Feel free to keep decreasing $n$ to make the function messier and messier.



            However, if you want a continuous non-elementary $f$ then no. If $f$ is continuous then by one of the fundamental theorems of calculus $F'(x) = f(x)$ and the derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function. Furthermore, if you want that $f$ is an integral of some other $h$ then it follows that $f$ is continuous as the integral of any real valued function defined everywhere is a continuous function. So this will only work with discontinuous $f$'s that are not integrals of other functions.



            In short the set of derivatives of elementary functions $neq$ the set of anti-integrals of elementary functions.






            share|cite|improve this answer









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            Yes, and I can provide a simple counter-example.



            Let $f(x)$ be piece-wise defined such that $f(x) = x^2$ for $x neq 0$ and such that $f(0) = 300$.



            This is not an elementary function. However its integral is $F(x) = frac 13x^3 + c$ which is elementary.



            For a slightly more "non-elementary" example just make $f(x) = -500$ whenever $x$ is an integer multiple of $n = 0.0001$. Feel free to keep decreasing $n$ to make the function messier and messier.



            However, if you want a continuous non-elementary $f$ then no. If $f$ is continuous then by one of the fundamental theorems of calculus $F'(x) = f(x)$ and the derivative of an elementary function is an elementary function. Furthermore, if you want that $f$ is an integral of some other $h$ then it follows that $f$ is continuous as the integral of any real valued function defined everywhere is a continuous function. So this will only work with discontinuous $f$'s that are not integrals of other functions.



            In short the set of derivatives of elementary functions $neq$ the set of anti-integrals of elementary functions.







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            The Great DuckThe Great Duck

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            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Why is a piecewise function with elementary cases not elementary?
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday










            • $begingroup$
              @J.M.isnotamathematician an infinite number of cases?
              $endgroup$
              – The Great Duck
              yesterday






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              I am talking about your second sentence. You give a quadratic function with a hole and say that it is nonelementary.
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday










            • $begingroup$
              @J.M.isnotamathematician As I said, there are much messier example and I gave one. The definition of elementary is tenuous at best. Provide a detailed analytical definition and I'll say whether something fits inside it. Until then, there's no real way to tell for sure. Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept. Regardless, I can easily keep cranking up the complexity on the counter-example so it doesn't change the result if I mis-identify some simpler function as being non-elementary.
              $endgroup$
              – The Great Duck
              yesterday






            • 2




              $begingroup$
              "Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept." - in this regard at least, we are in agreement.
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday












            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Why is a piecewise function with elementary cases not elementary?
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday










            • $begingroup$
              @J.M.isnotamathematician an infinite number of cases?
              $endgroup$
              – The Great Duck
              yesterday






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              I am talking about your second sentence. You give a quadratic function with a hole and say that it is nonelementary.
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday










            • $begingroup$
              @J.M.isnotamathematician As I said, there are much messier example and I gave one. The definition of elementary is tenuous at best. Provide a detailed analytical definition and I'll say whether something fits inside it. Until then, there's no real way to tell for sure. Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept. Regardless, I can easily keep cranking up the complexity on the counter-example so it doesn't change the result if I mis-identify some simpler function as being non-elementary.
              $endgroup$
              – The Great Duck
              yesterday






            • 2




              $begingroup$
              "Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept." - in this regard at least, we are in agreement.
              $endgroup$
              – J. M. is not a mathematician
              yesterday







            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            Why is a piecewise function with elementary cases not elementary?
            $endgroup$
            – J. M. is not a mathematician
            yesterday




            $begingroup$
            Why is a piecewise function with elementary cases not elementary?
            $endgroup$
            – J. M. is not a mathematician
            yesterday












            $begingroup$
            @J.M.isnotamathematician an infinite number of cases?
            $endgroup$
            – The Great Duck
            yesterday




            $begingroup$
            @J.M.isnotamathematician an infinite number of cases?
            $endgroup$
            – The Great Duck
            yesterday




            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            I am talking about your second sentence. You give a quadratic function with a hole and say that it is nonelementary.
            $endgroup$
            – J. M. is not a mathematician
            yesterday




            $begingroup$
            I am talking about your second sentence. You give a quadratic function with a hole and say that it is nonelementary.
            $endgroup$
            – J. M. is not a mathematician
            yesterday












            $begingroup$
            @J.M.isnotamathematician As I said, there are much messier example and I gave one. The definition of elementary is tenuous at best. Provide a detailed analytical definition and I'll say whether something fits inside it. Until then, there's no real way to tell for sure. Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept. Regardless, I can easily keep cranking up the complexity on the counter-example so it doesn't change the result if I mis-identify some simpler function as being non-elementary.
            $endgroup$
            – The Great Duck
            yesterday




            $begingroup$
            @J.M.isnotamathematician As I said, there are much messier example and I gave one. The definition of elementary is tenuous at best. Provide a detailed analytical definition and I'll say whether something fits inside it. Until then, there's no real way to tell for sure. Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept. Regardless, I can easily keep cranking up the complexity on the counter-example so it doesn't change the result if I mis-identify some simpler function as being non-elementary.
            $endgroup$
            – The Great Duck
            yesterday




            2




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            "Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept." - in this regard at least, we are in agreement.
            $endgroup$
            – J. M. is not a mathematician
            yesterday




            $begingroup$
            "Elementary has imo always been a subjective concept." - in this regard at least, we are in agreement.
            $endgroup$
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            yesterday

















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