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What is the chair depicted in Cesare Maccari's 1889 painting “Cicerone denuncia Catilina”?



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There are a number of inaccuracies in Cesare Maccari's painting. Wikipedia notes that the arrangement of the chairs was of parallel rather than radial as depicted. Did Maccari accurately depict the shape of the chairs of the senate of Republican Rome? And, regardless of their accuracy, what are the chairs called that are depicted here? Are the chairs in Maccari's painting historic to any period?










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      There are a number of inaccuracies in Cesare Maccari's painting. Wikipedia notes that the arrangement of the chairs was of parallel rather than radial as depicted. Did Maccari accurately depict the shape of the chairs of the senate of Republican Rome? And, regardless of their accuracy, what are the chairs called that are depicted here? Are the chairs in Maccari's painting historic to any period?










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          Roman senators sat on benches while the consuls had the privilege of sitting on curule chairs (which are not shown in the fresco).



          In addition to the arrangement of the seating, Cesare Maccari's Cicerone denuncia Catalina contains other errors, among which are the location of this particular meeting and Cicero's (apparent) age. The seating depicted is the artist's imagination as we do not know what the senators' benches looked like.




          The senate building at the time of this Nov 8, 63 BC oration was the Curia Hostilia but the meeting on Nov 8 actually took place in the Temple of Jupiter Stator (this mentioned by Cicero in his speech), not in the Curia Cornelia (built in 52 BC) as depicted by Maccari.



          According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
          Vol. 100 (1969)
          , Roman senators sat on benches (subsellia). Cicero specifically mentions 'benches' in his speech. Taylor and Scott also note that




          The arrangements in the senate chamber were similar whether the
          meeting was held in the Curia or in a temple....There was no fixed
          place for individuals, though men of the same rank were together.




          Archaeologists Lesley & Roy A. Adkins, Handbook to Life in Ancient Rome also say:




          Senators sat on benches (subselli) down the long sides of the building...




          The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




          Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
          tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
          charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
          chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
          occupied the curule chair.




          Source: Taylor & Scott



          In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




          Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
          curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
          in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
          senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




          Adkins & Adkins state that, during the republic,




          Curule magistrates (praetors, consuls, censors and curule aediles) had
          the right to sit on a special chair (sella curulis) as a symbol of
          their office.




          While we have good idea of what the consuls sat on and what their curule seats looked like, for the senators we are less sure. We know they sat on benches but whether or not they had backrests is unknown. Even the (weak) circumstantial evidence is inconclusive: on the one hand, as The HonRose commented, chairs with (sloping) backs were generally intended for 'women and invalids' but, on the other hand, the solium (a chair with a high, straight back) was used by the pater familias.




          Additional comments on Maccari's fresco



          The Temple of Jupiter Stator has not survived and there is some dispute as to exactly where it was located. The Curia Cornelia, which Maccari claims to depict, has also not survived but we know that it was a (non-square) rectangular building, as is the (still standing) Curia Julia. The interior of the Curia Cornelia would more likely have resembled the image below than Maccari's picture.



          enter image description here



          Curia Julia interior reconstruction. Source: UCLA Rome Reborn 1.0



          I do not know what the seating actually depicted in Naccari's fresco is called. It seems to be based on a church pew or (as suggested by bonzo-lz, who also notes that Maccari 'worked a lot in churches') a choir bench. The curule seat or chair which the consuls used is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



          enter image description here



          "Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28." Source



          The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



          enter image description here



          "Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome)." Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]






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            Maccari worked a lot in churches before he painted 'Cicerone denuncia Catilina' so, yeah, it's possible he was influenced by church pews or choir benches.

            – bonzo-lz
            Apr 20 at 3:43






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            I have always understood that in Rome, chairs with backs were considered only fit for women and invalids! ;)

            – TheHonRose
            Apr 20 at 10:22


















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          The chairs are called curule chairs.



          This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



          ** I'm not sure if they sat on benches or brought their own chairs. If meetings were held outside the senate house, they definitely brought their own chairs. Inside the senate house they likely sat on benches, but I did read they brought their own chairs



          Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



          Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)



          • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga

          Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.



          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia

          The Wikipedia article about Roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




          It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.







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            Roman senators sat on benches while the consuls had the privilege of sitting on curule chairs (which are not shown in the fresco).



            In addition to the arrangement of the seating, Cesare Maccari's Cicerone denuncia Catalina contains other errors, among which are the location of this particular meeting and Cicero's (apparent) age. The seating depicted is the artist's imagination as we do not know what the senators' benches looked like.




            The senate building at the time of this Nov 8, 63 BC oration was the Curia Hostilia but the meeting on Nov 8 actually took place in the Temple of Jupiter Stator (this mentioned by Cicero in his speech), not in the Curia Cornelia (built in 52 BC) as depicted by Maccari.



            According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
            Vol. 100 (1969)
            , Roman senators sat on benches (subsellia). Cicero specifically mentions 'benches' in his speech. Taylor and Scott also note that




            The arrangements in the senate chamber were similar whether the
            meeting was held in the Curia or in a temple....There was no fixed
            place for individuals, though men of the same rank were together.




            Archaeologists Lesley & Roy A. Adkins, Handbook to Life in Ancient Rome also say:




            Senators sat on benches (subselli) down the long sides of the building...




            The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




            Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
            tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
            charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
            chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
            occupied the curule chair.




            Source: Taylor & Scott



            In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




            Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
            curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
            in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
            senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




            Adkins & Adkins state that, during the republic,




            Curule magistrates (praetors, consuls, censors and curule aediles) had
            the right to sit on a special chair (sella curulis) as a symbol of
            their office.




            While we have good idea of what the consuls sat on and what their curule seats looked like, for the senators we are less sure. We know they sat on benches but whether or not they had backrests is unknown. Even the (weak) circumstantial evidence is inconclusive: on the one hand, as The HonRose commented, chairs with (sloping) backs were generally intended for 'women and invalids' but, on the other hand, the solium (a chair with a high, straight back) was used by the pater familias.




            Additional comments on Maccari's fresco



            The Temple of Jupiter Stator has not survived and there is some dispute as to exactly where it was located. The Curia Cornelia, which Maccari claims to depict, has also not survived but we know that it was a (non-square) rectangular building, as is the (still standing) Curia Julia. The interior of the Curia Cornelia would more likely have resembled the image below than Maccari's picture.



            enter image description here



            Curia Julia interior reconstruction. Source: UCLA Rome Reborn 1.0



            I do not know what the seating actually depicted in Naccari's fresco is called. It seems to be based on a church pew or (as suggested by bonzo-lz, who also notes that Maccari 'worked a lot in churches') a choir bench. The curule seat or chair which the consuls used is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



            enter image description here



            "Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28." Source



            The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



            enter image description here



            "Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome)." Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]






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            • 2





              Maccari worked a lot in churches before he painted 'Cicerone denuncia Catilina' so, yeah, it's possible he was influenced by church pews or choir benches.

              – bonzo-lz
              Apr 20 at 3:43






            • 1





              I have always understood that in Rome, chairs with backs were considered only fit for women and invalids! ;)

              – TheHonRose
              Apr 20 at 10:22















            12














            Roman senators sat on benches while the consuls had the privilege of sitting on curule chairs (which are not shown in the fresco).



            In addition to the arrangement of the seating, Cesare Maccari's Cicerone denuncia Catalina contains other errors, among which are the location of this particular meeting and Cicero's (apparent) age. The seating depicted is the artist's imagination as we do not know what the senators' benches looked like.




            The senate building at the time of this Nov 8, 63 BC oration was the Curia Hostilia but the meeting on Nov 8 actually took place in the Temple of Jupiter Stator (this mentioned by Cicero in his speech), not in the Curia Cornelia (built in 52 BC) as depicted by Maccari.



            According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
            Vol. 100 (1969)
            , Roman senators sat on benches (subsellia). Cicero specifically mentions 'benches' in his speech. Taylor and Scott also note that




            The arrangements in the senate chamber were similar whether the
            meeting was held in the Curia or in a temple....There was no fixed
            place for individuals, though men of the same rank were together.




            Archaeologists Lesley & Roy A. Adkins, Handbook to Life in Ancient Rome also say:




            Senators sat on benches (subselli) down the long sides of the building...




            The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




            Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
            tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
            charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
            chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
            occupied the curule chair.




            Source: Taylor & Scott



            In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




            Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
            curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
            in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
            senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




            Adkins & Adkins state that, during the republic,




            Curule magistrates (praetors, consuls, censors and curule aediles) had
            the right to sit on a special chair (sella curulis) as a symbol of
            their office.




            While we have good idea of what the consuls sat on and what their curule seats looked like, for the senators we are less sure. We know they sat on benches but whether or not they had backrests is unknown. Even the (weak) circumstantial evidence is inconclusive: on the one hand, as The HonRose commented, chairs with (sloping) backs were generally intended for 'women and invalids' but, on the other hand, the solium (a chair with a high, straight back) was used by the pater familias.




            Additional comments on Maccari's fresco



            The Temple of Jupiter Stator has not survived and there is some dispute as to exactly where it was located. The Curia Cornelia, which Maccari claims to depict, has also not survived but we know that it was a (non-square) rectangular building, as is the (still standing) Curia Julia. The interior of the Curia Cornelia would more likely have resembled the image below than Maccari's picture.



            enter image description here



            Curia Julia interior reconstruction. Source: UCLA Rome Reborn 1.0



            I do not know what the seating actually depicted in Naccari's fresco is called. It seems to be based on a church pew or (as suggested by bonzo-lz, who also notes that Maccari 'worked a lot in churches') a choir bench. The curule seat or chair which the consuls used is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



            enter image description here



            "Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28." Source



            The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



            enter image description here



            "Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome)." Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]






            share|improve this answer




















            • 2





              Maccari worked a lot in churches before he painted 'Cicerone denuncia Catilina' so, yeah, it's possible he was influenced by church pews or choir benches.

              – bonzo-lz
              Apr 20 at 3:43






            • 1





              I have always understood that in Rome, chairs with backs were considered only fit for women and invalids! ;)

              – TheHonRose
              Apr 20 at 10:22













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            Roman senators sat on benches while the consuls had the privilege of sitting on curule chairs (which are not shown in the fresco).



            In addition to the arrangement of the seating, Cesare Maccari's Cicerone denuncia Catalina contains other errors, among which are the location of this particular meeting and Cicero's (apparent) age. The seating depicted is the artist's imagination as we do not know what the senators' benches looked like.




            The senate building at the time of this Nov 8, 63 BC oration was the Curia Hostilia but the meeting on Nov 8 actually took place in the Temple of Jupiter Stator (this mentioned by Cicero in his speech), not in the Curia Cornelia (built in 52 BC) as depicted by Maccari.



            According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
            Vol. 100 (1969)
            , Roman senators sat on benches (subsellia). Cicero specifically mentions 'benches' in his speech. Taylor and Scott also note that




            The arrangements in the senate chamber were similar whether the
            meeting was held in the Curia or in a temple....There was no fixed
            place for individuals, though men of the same rank were together.




            Archaeologists Lesley & Roy A. Adkins, Handbook to Life in Ancient Rome also say:




            Senators sat on benches (subselli) down the long sides of the building...




            The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




            Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
            tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
            charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
            chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
            occupied the curule chair.




            Source: Taylor & Scott



            In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




            Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
            curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
            in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
            senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




            Adkins & Adkins state that, during the republic,




            Curule magistrates (praetors, consuls, censors and curule aediles) had
            the right to sit on a special chair (sella curulis) as a symbol of
            their office.




            While we have good idea of what the consuls sat on and what their curule seats looked like, for the senators we are less sure. We know they sat on benches but whether or not they had backrests is unknown. Even the (weak) circumstantial evidence is inconclusive: on the one hand, as The HonRose commented, chairs with (sloping) backs were generally intended for 'women and invalids' but, on the other hand, the solium (a chair with a high, straight back) was used by the pater familias.




            Additional comments on Maccari's fresco



            The Temple of Jupiter Stator has not survived and there is some dispute as to exactly where it was located. The Curia Cornelia, which Maccari claims to depict, has also not survived but we know that it was a (non-square) rectangular building, as is the (still standing) Curia Julia. The interior of the Curia Cornelia would more likely have resembled the image below than Maccari's picture.



            enter image description here



            Curia Julia interior reconstruction. Source: UCLA Rome Reborn 1.0



            I do not know what the seating actually depicted in Naccari's fresco is called. It seems to be based on a church pew or (as suggested by bonzo-lz, who also notes that Maccari 'worked a lot in churches') a choir bench. The curule seat or chair which the consuls used is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



            enter image description here



            "Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28." Source



            The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



            enter image description here



            "Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome)." Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]






            share|improve this answer















            Roman senators sat on benches while the consuls had the privilege of sitting on curule chairs (which are not shown in the fresco).



            In addition to the arrangement of the seating, Cesare Maccari's Cicerone denuncia Catalina contains other errors, among which are the location of this particular meeting and Cicero's (apparent) age. The seating depicted is the artist's imagination as we do not know what the senators' benches looked like.




            The senate building at the time of this Nov 8, 63 BC oration was the Curia Hostilia but the meeting on Nov 8 actually took place in the Temple of Jupiter Stator (this mentioned by Cicero in his speech), not in the Curia Cornelia (built in 52 BC) as depicted by Maccari.



            According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
            Vol. 100 (1969)
            , Roman senators sat on benches (subsellia). Cicero specifically mentions 'benches' in his speech. Taylor and Scott also note that




            The arrangements in the senate chamber were similar whether the
            meeting was held in the Curia or in a temple....There was no fixed
            place for individuals, though men of the same rank were together.




            Archaeologists Lesley & Roy A. Adkins, Handbook to Life in Ancient Rome also say:




            Senators sat on benches (subselli) down the long sides of the building...




            The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




            Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
            tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
            charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
            chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
            occupied the curule chair.




            Source: Taylor & Scott



            In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




            Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
            curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
            in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
            senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




            Adkins & Adkins state that, during the republic,




            Curule magistrates (praetors, consuls, censors and curule aediles) had
            the right to sit on a special chair (sella curulis) as a symbol of
            their office.




            While we have good idea of what the consuls sat on and what their curule seats looked like, for the senators we are less sure. We know they sat on benches but whether or not they had backrests is unknown. Even the (weak) circumstantial evidence is inconclusive: on the one hand, as The HonRose commented, chairs with (sloping) backs were generally intended for 'women and invalids' but, on the other hand, the solium (a chair with a high, straight back) was used by the pater familias.




            Additional comments on Maccari's fresco



            The Temple of Jupiter Stator has not survived and there is some dispute as to exactly where it was located. The Curia Cornelia, which Maccari claims to depict, has also not survived but we know that it was a (non-square) rectangular building, as is the (still standing) Curia Julia. The interior of the Curia Cornelia would more likely have resembled the image below than Maccari's picture.



            enter image description here



            Curia Julia interior reconstruction. Source: UCLA Rome Reborn 1.0



            I do not know what the seating actually depicted in Naccari's fresco is called. It seems to be based on a church pew or (as suggested by bonzo-lz, who also notes that Maccari 'worked a lot in churches') a choir bench. The curule seat or chair which the consuls used is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



            enter image description here



            "Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28." Source



            The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



            enter image description here



            "Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome)." Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]







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              Maccari worked a lot in churches before he painted 'Cicerone denuncia Catilina' so, yeah, it's possible he was influenced by church pews or choir benches.

              – bonzo-lz
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              I have always understood that in Rome, chairs with backs were considered only fit for women and invalids! ;)

              – TheHonRose
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              Maccari worked a lot in churches before he painted 'Cicerone denuncia Catilina' so, yeah, it's possible he was influenced by church pews or choir benches.

              – bonzo-lz
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              I have always understood that in Rome, chairs with backs were considered only fit for women and invalids! ;)

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            Maccari worked a lot in churches before he painted 'Cicerone denuncia Catilina' so, yeah, it's possible he was influenced by church pews or choir benches.

            – bonzo-lz
            Apr 20 at 3:43





            Maccari worked a lot in churches before he painted 'Cicerone denuncia Catilina' so, yeah, it's possible he was influenced by church pews or choir benches.

            – bonzo-lz
            Apr 20 at 3:43




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            I have always understood that in Rome, chairs with backs were considered only fit for women and invalids! ;)

            – TheHonRose
            Apr 20 at 10:22





            I have always understood that in Rome, chairs with backs were considered only fit for women and invalids! ;)

            – TheHonRose
            Apr 20 at 10:22











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            The chairs are called curule chairs.



            This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



            ** I'm not sure if they sat on benches or brought their own chairs. If meetings were held outside the senate house, they definitely brought their own chairs. Inside the senate house they likely sat on benches, but I did read they brought their own chairs



            Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



            Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)



            • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga

            Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.



            • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia

            The Wikipedia article about Roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




            It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.







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              The chairs are called curule chairs.



              This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



              ** I'm not sure if they sat on benches or brought their own chairs. If meetings were held outside the senate house, they definitely brought their own chairs. Inside the senate house they likely sat on benches, but I did read they brought their own chairs



              Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



              Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)



              • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga

              Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.



              • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia

              The Wikipedia article about Roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




              It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.







              share|improve this answer



























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                The chairs are called curule chairs.



                This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



                ** I'm not sure if they sat on benches or brought their own chairs. If meetings were held outside the senate house, they definitely brought their own chairs. Inside the senate house they likely sat on benches, but I did read they brought their own chairs



                Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



                Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)



                • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga

                Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.



                • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia

                The Wikipedia article about Roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




                It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.







                share|improve this answer















                The chairs are called curule chairs.



                This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



                ** I'm not sure if they sat on benches or brought their own chairs. If meetings were held outside the senate house, they definitely brought their own chairs. Inside the senate house they likely sat on benches, but I did read they brought their own chairs



                Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



                Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)



                • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga

                Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.



                • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia

                The Wikipedia article about Roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




                It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.








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