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N.B. ligature in Latex
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are Inaccess all characters in an OpenType font with LuaLaTeXSuppression of a ligature in XeLaTeXHow can I suppress a terminal ligature?Use ae ligature in bibliographyAccessing the Fancy /es/ Ligature Without Lua-/Xe-LatexRemoving “st” ligature in Humanist fontSuppress 2-letter ligature when 3-letter ligature would applySuppress specific ligature in XeLaTeXHow to keep a “rare” ligature from interfering with a “common” ligature?How change emdash ligature?“native” math ligature with OpenType feature
Wikipedia mentions a ligature for NB (nota bene), however I can't seem to find any reference to this in the latex literature. Is there a way to use this ligature in my latex document?
An example of the ligature:
ligatures
asked Apr 7 at 8:10
David PoxonDavid Poxon
1906
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Wikipedia mentions a ligature for NB (nota bene), however I can't seem to find any reference to this in the latex literature. Is there a way to use this ligature in my latex document?
An example of the ligature:
ligatures
asked Apr 7 at 8:10
David PoxonDavid Poxon
1906
add a comment |
Wikipedia mentions a ligature for NB (nota bene), however I can't seem to find any reference to this in the latex literature. Is there a way to use this ligature in my latex document?
An example of the ligature:
ligatures
asked Apr 7 at 8:10
David PoxonDavid Poxon
1906
Wikipedia mentions a ligature for NB (nota bene), however I can't seem to find any reference to this in the latex literature. Is there a way to use this ligature in my latex document?
An example of the ligature:
ligatures
ligatures
asked Apr 7 at 8:10
David PoxonDavid Poxon
1906
asked Apr 7 at 8:10
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1906
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David PoxonDavid Poxon
1906
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To the best of my knowledge, there are no fonts out there (not even Junicode!) that provide a ready-made NB ligature.
It's actually not too difficult to create a composite NB glyph (not to be confused with a "true" ligature) by inserting a negative kern between N and B. However, for many font families the N-B composite is quite unattractive. It's a vivid reminder, IMNSHO, of the fact that creating a good-looking ligature requires a lot more work than just "snugging up" two or more glyphs.
The following screenshot shows possible NB candidates for 4 serif fonts and 3 sans-serif fonts. (If you wanted to use this in "real work", be sure to omit the textcolorred... wrapper in the definition of NB.)
documentclassarticle
usepackagexcolor % for 'textcolor' macro
newcommandNB[1][0.3]Nkern-#1emtextcolorredB % default kern amount: -0.3em
usepackagefontspec
begindocument
setmainfontLatin Modern Roman
NB --- Latin Modern Roman
setmainfontTimes Roman
NB[0.265] --- Times Roman
setmainfontEB Garamond
NB[0.275] --- EB Garamond
setmainfontTrajan Pro
NB[0.385] --- Trajan Pro
setmainfontLatin Modern Sans
NB[0.27] --- Latin Modern Sans
setmainfontHelvetica
NB[0.24] --- Helvetica
setmainfontFutura
NB[0.295] --- Futura
enddocument
answered Apr 7 at 8:46
MicoMico
286k32390779
2
You can never find a Monk when you need one
– David Carlisle
Apr 7 at 9:27
2
It might be worth noting that this is the same workaround which is also used on the linked Wikipedia page: The "ligature" is$mathrmN!!mathrmB$which should be the same asNB[0.33333]with Computer Modern Roman.
– Marcel Krüger
Apr 7 at 11:23
Thank you! The Latin Modern Roman looks pretty good!
– David Poxon
Apr 7 at 12:02
One way to improve this might be to clip theNglyph where theBbegins to avoid the N poking out from the bottom like in Garamond or Futura. No idea whether that's possible though (although it's LaTeX, so arbitrary vector graphics operations on arbitrary font glyphs should be no problem, from what I've seen so far).
– Joey
2 days ago
@Joey - Feel free to post a new answer in which you implement the ideas outlined in your comment. :-)
– Mico
2 days ago
add a comment |
Even among commercial fonts with many unusual ligatures, this ligature is rare. The only one in my large collection is found in P22 Hoy Pro, and it hasn’t been made readily accessible through any defined feature:
documentclassarticle
usepackagefontspec,luacode
setmainfontP22 Hoy Pro[
Contextuals=Alternate,
Ligatures=Rare]
% https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/120762:
beginluacode
documentdata = documentdata or
local stringformat = string.format
local texsprint = tex.sprint
local slot_of_name = luaotfload.aux.slot_of_name
documentdata.fontchar = function (chr)
local chr = slot_of_name(font.current(), chr, false)
if chr and type(chr) == "number" then
texsprint
(stringformat ([[char"%X]], chr))
end
end
endluacode
deffontchar#1directluadocumentdata.fontchar "#1"
begindocument
fontcharN_B: This is P22 Hoy Pro.
enddocument
edited Apr 7 at 15:14
Mico
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 13:38
ThérèseThérèse
9,67732343
2
+1. P22 Hoy Pro is a truly remarkable font face! :-)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 14:31
I've taken the liberty of inserting some meta-code to pretty-print the Lua code chunk. Feel free to revert if it's not to your liking.
– Mico
Apr 7 at 15:15
1
@Mico Thanks. Neat trick — how do you do that?
– Thérèse
Apr 7 at 15:19
1
I inserted the directives<!-- language: lang-lua -->and<!-- language: lang-tex -->on lines by themselves, not indented by four spaces. (I can’t remember off-hand who taught me this trick — I certainly didn’t come up with it on my own.)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 16:24
add a comment |
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To the best of my knowledge, there are no fonts out there (not even Junicode!) that provide a ready-made NB ligature.
It's actually not too difficult to create a composite NB glyph (not to be confused with a "true" ligature) by inserting a negative kern between N and B. However, for many font families the N-B composite is quite unattractive. It's a vivid reminder, IMNSHO, of the fact that creating a good-looking ligature requires a lot more work than just "snugging up" two or more glyphs.
The following screenshot shows possible NB candidates for 4 serif fonts and 3 sans-serif fonts. (If you wanted to use this in "real work", be sure to omit the textcolorred... wrapper in the definition of NB.)
documentclassarticle
usepackagexcolor % for 'textcolor' macro
newcommandNB[1][0.3]Nkern-#1emtextcolorredB % default kern amount: -0.3em
usepackagefontspec
begindocument
setmainfontLatin Modern Roman
NB --- Latin Modern Roman
setmainfontTimes Roman
NB[0.265] --- Times Roman
setmainfontEB Garamond
NB[0.275] --- EB Garamond
setmainfontTrajan Pro
NB[0.385] --- Trajan Pro
setmainfontLatin Modern Sans
NB[0.27] --- Latin Modern Sans
setmainfontHelvetica
NB[0.24] --- Helvetica
setmainfontFutura
NB[0.295] --- Futura
enddocument
answered Apr 7 at 8:46
MicoMico
286k32390779
2
You can never find a Monk when you need one
– David Carlisle
Apr 7 at 9:27
2
It might be worth noting that this is the same workaround which is also used on the linked Wikipedia page: The "ligature" is$mathrmN!!mathrmB$which should be the same asNB[0.33333]with Computer Modern Roman.
– Marcel Krüger
Apr 7 at 11:23
Thank you! The Latin Modern Roman looks pretty good!
– David Poxon
Apr 7 at 12:02
One way to improve this might be to clip theNglyph where theBbegins to avoid the N poking out from the bottom like in Garamond or Futura. No idea whether that's possible though (although it's LaTeX, so arbitrary vector graphics operations on arbitrary font glyphs should be no problem, from what I've seen so far).
– Joey
2 days ago
@Joey - Feel free to post a new answer in which you implement the ideas outlined in your comment. :-)
– Mico
2 days ago
add a comment |
To the best of my knowledge, there are no fonts out there (not even Junicode!) that provide a ready-made NB ligature.
It's actually not too difficult to create a composite NB glyph (not to be confused with a "true" ligature) by inserting a negative kern between N and B. However, for many font families the N-B composite is quite unattractive. It's a vivid reminder, IMNSHO, of the fact that creating a good-looking ligature requires a lot more work than just "snugging up" two or more glyphs.
The following screenshot shows possible NB candidates for 4 serif fonts and 3 sans-serif fonts. (If you wanted to use this in "real work", be sure to omit the textcolorred... wrapper in the definition of NB.)
documentclassarticle
usepackagexcolor % for 'textcolor' macro
newcommandNB[1][0.3]Nkern-#1emtextcolorredB % default kern amount: -0.3em
usepackagefontspec
begindocument
setmainfontLatin Modern Roman
NB --- Latin Modern Roman
setmainfontTimes Roman
NB[0.265] --- Times Roman
setmainfontEB Garamond
NB[0.275] --- EB Garamond
setmainfontTrajan Pro
NB[0.385] --- Trajan Pro
setmainfontLatin Modern Sans
NB[0.27] --- Latin Modern Sans
setmainfontHelvetica
NB[0.24] --- Helvetica
setmainfontFutura
NB[0.295] --- Futura
enddocument
answered Apr 7 at 8:46
MicoMico
286k32390779
2
You can never find a Monk when you need one
– David Carlisle
Apr 7 at 9:27
2
It might be worth noting that this is the same workaround which is also used on the linked Wikipedia page: The "ligature" is$mathrmN!!mathrmB$which should be the same asNB[0.33333]with Computer Modern Roman.
– Marcel Krüger
Apr 7 at 11:23
Thank you! The Latin Modern Roman looks pretty good!
– David Poxon
Apr 7 at 12:02
One way to improve this might be to clip theNglyph where theBbegins to avoid the N poking out from the bottom like in Garamond or Futura. No idea whether that's possible though (although it's LaTeX, so arbitrary vector graphics operations on arbitrary font glyphs should be no problem, from what I've seen so far).
– Joey
2 days ago
@Joey - Feel free to post a new answer in which you implement the ideas outlined in your comment. :-)
– Mico
2 days ago
add a comment |
To the best of my knowledge, there are no fonts out there (not even Junicode!) that provide a ready-made NB ligature.
It's actually not too difficult to create a composite NB glyph (not to be confused with a "true" ligature) by inserting a negative kern between N and B. However, for many font families the N-B composite is quite unattractive. It's a vivid reminder, IMNSHO, of the fact that creating a good-looking ligature requires a lot more work than just "snugging up" two or more glyphs.
The following screenshot shows possible NB candidates for 4 serif fonts and 3 sans-serif fonts. (If you wanted to use this in "real work", be sure to omit the textcolorred... wrapper in the definition of NB.)
documentclassarticle
usepackagexcolor % for 'textcolor' macro
newcommandNB[1][0.3]Nkern-#1emtextcolorredB % default kern amount: -0.3em
usepackagefontspec
begindocument
setmainfontLatin Modern Roman
NB --- Latin Modern Roman
setmainfontTimes Roman
NB[0.265] --- Times Roman
setmainfontEB Garamond
NB[0.275] --- EB Garamond
setmainfontTrajan Pro
NB[0.385] --- Trajan Pro
setmainfontLatin Modern Sans
NB[0.27] --- Latin Modern Sans
setmainfontHelvetica
NB[0.24] --- Helvetica
setmainfontFutura
NB[0.295] --- Futura
enddocument
answered Apr 7 at 8:46
MicoMico
286k32390779
To the best of my knowledge, there are no fonts out there (not even Junicode!) that provide a ready-made NB ligature.
It's actually not too difficult to create a composite NB glyph (not to be confused with a "true" ligature) by inserting a negative kern between N and B. However, for many font families the N-B composite is quite unattractive. It's a vivid reminder, IMNSHO, of the fact that creating a good-looking ligature requires a lot more work than just "snugging up" two or more glyphs.
The following screenshot shows possible NB candidates for 4 serif fonts and 3 sans-serif fonts. (If you wanted to use this in "real work", be sure to omit the textcolorred... wrapper in the definition of NB.)
documentclassarticle
usepackagexcolor % for 'textcolor' macro
newcommandNB[1][0.3]Nkern-#1emtextcolorredB % default kern amount: -0.3em
usepackagefontspec
begindocument
setmainfontLatin Modern Roman
NB --- Latin Modern Roman
setmainfontTimes Roman
NB[0.265] --- Times Roman
setmainfontEB Garamond
NB[0.275] --- EB Garamond
setmainfontTrajan Pro
NB[0.385] --- Trajan Pro
setmainfontLatin Modern Sans
NB[0.27] --- Latin Modern Sans
setmainfontHelvetica
NB[0.24] --- Helvetica
setmainfontFutura
NB[0.295] --- Futura
enddocument
answered Apr 7 at 8:46
MicoMico
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 8:46
MicoMico
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 8:46
MicoMico
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 8:46
MicoMico
286k32390779
286k32390779
2
You can never find a Monk when you need one
– David Carlisle
Apr 7 at 9:27
2
It might be worth noting that this is the same workaround which is also used on the linked Wikipedia page: The "ligature" is$mathrmN!!mathrmB$which should be the same asNB[0.33333]with Computer Modern Roman.
– Marcel Krüger
Apr 7 at 11:23
Thank you! The Latin Modern Roman looks pretty good!
– David Poxon
Apr 7 at 12:02
One way to improve this might be to clip theNglyph where theBbegins to avoid the N poking out from the bottom like in Garamond or Futura. No idea whether that's possible though (although it's LaTeX, so arbitrary vector graphics operations on arbitrary font glyphs should be no problem, from what I've seen so far).
– Joey
2 days ago
@Joey - Feel free to post a new answer in which you implement the ideas outlined in your comment. :-)
– Mico
2 days ago
add a comment |
2
You can never find a Monk when you need one
– David Carlisle
Apr 7 at 9:27
2
It might be worth noting that this is the same workaround which is also used on the linked Wikipedia page: The "ligature" is$mathrmN!!mathrmB$which should be the same asNB[0.33333]with Computer Modern Roman.
– Marcel Krüger
Apr 7 at 11:23
Thank you! The Latin Modern Roman looks pretty good!
– David Poxon
Apr 7 at 12:02
One way to improve this might be to clip theNglyph where theBbegins to avoid the N poking out from the bottom like in Garamond or Futura. No idea whether that's possible though (although it's LaTeX, so arbitrary vector graphics operations on arbitrary font glyphs should be no problem, from what I've seen so far).
– Joey
2 days ago
@Joey - Feel free to post a new answer in which you implement the ideas outlined in your comment. :-)
– Mico
2 days ago
2
2
You can never find a Monk when you need one
– David Carlisle
Apr 7 at 9:27
You can never find a Monk when you need one
– David Carlisle
Apr 7 at 9:27
2
2
It might be worth noting that this is the same workaround which is also used on the linked Wikipedia page: The "ligature" is
$mathrmN!!mathrmB$ which should be the same as NB[0.33333] with Computer Modern Roman.– Marcel Krüger
Apr 7 at 11:23
It might be worth noting that this is the same workaround which is also used on the linked Wikipedia page: The "ligature" is
$mathrmN!!mathrmB$ which should be the same as NB[0.33333] with Computer Modern Roman.– Marcel Krüger
Apr 7 at 11:23
Thank you! The Latin Modern Roman looks pretty good!
– David Poxon
Apr 7 at 12:02
Thank you! The Latin Modern Roman looks pretty good!
– David Poxon
Apr 7 at 12:02
One way to improve this might be to clip the
N glyph where the B begins to avoid the N poking out from the bottom like in Garamond or Futura. No idea whether that's possible though (although it's LaTeX, so arbitrary vector graphics operations on arbitrary font glyphs should be no problem, from what I've seen so far).– Joey
2 days ago
One way to improve this might be to clip the
N glyph where the B begins to avoid the N poking out from the bottom like in Garamond or Futura. No idea whether that's possible though (although it's LaTeX, so arbitrary vector graphics operations on arbitrary font glyphs should be no problem, from what I've seen so far).– Joey
2 days ago
@Joey - Feel free to post a new answer in which you implement the ideas outlined in your comment. :-)
– Mico
2 days ago
@Joey - Feel free to post a new answer in which you implement the ideas outlined in your comment. :-)
– Mico
2 days ago
add a comment |
Even among commercial fonts with many unusual ligatures, this ligature is rare. The only one in my large collection is found in P22 Hoy Pro, and it hasn’t been made readily accessible through any defined feature:
documentclassarticle
usepackagefontspec,luacode
setmainfontP22 Hoy Pro[
Contextuals=Alternate,
Ligatures=Rare]
% https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/120762:
beginluacode
documentdata = documentdata or
local stringformat = string.format
local texsprint = tex.sprint
local slot_of_name = luaotfload.aux.slot_of_name
documentdata.fontchar = function (chr)
local chr = slot_of_name(font.current(), chr, false)
if chr and type(chr) == "number" then
texsprint
(stringformat ([[char"%X]], chr))
end
end
endluacode
deffontchar#1directluadocumentdata.fontchar "#1"
begindocument
fontcharN_B: This is P22 Hoy Pro.
enddocument
edited Apr 7 at 15:14
Mico
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 13:38
ThérèseThérèse
9,67732343
2
+1. P22 Hoy Pro is a truly remarkable font face! :-)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 14:31
I've taken the liberty of inserting some meta-code to pretty-print the Lua code chunk. Feel free to revert if it's not to your liking.
– Mico
Apr 7 at 15:15
1
@Mico Thanks. Neat trick — how do you do that?
– Thérèse
Apr 7 at 15:19
1
I inserted the directives<!-- language: lang-lua -->and<!-- language: lang-tex -->on lines by themselves, not indented by four spaces. (I can’t remember off-hand who taught me this trick — I certainly didn’t come up with it on my own.)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 16:24
add a comment |
Even among commercial fonts with many unusual ligatures, this ligature is rare. The only one in my large collection is found in P22 Hoy Pro, and it hasn’t been made readily accessible through any defined feature:
documentclassarticle
usepackagefontspec,luacode
setmainfontP22 Hoy Pro[
Contextuals=Alternate,
Ligatures=Rare]
% https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/120762:
beginluacode
documentdata = documentdata or
local stringformat = string.format
local texsprint = tex.sprint
local slot_of_name = luaotfload.aux.slot_of_name
documentdata.fontchar = function (chr)
local chr = slot_of_name(font.current(), chr, false)
if chr and type(chr) == "number" then
texsprint
(stringformat ([[char"%X]], chr))
end
end
endluacode
deffontchar#1directluadocumentdata.fontchar "#1"
begindocument
fontcharN_B: This is P22 Hoy Pro.
enddocument
edited Apr 7 at 15:14
Mico
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 13:38
ThérèseThérèse
9,67732343
2
+1. P22 Hoy Pro is a truly remarkable font face! :-)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 14:31
I've taken the liberty of inserting some meta-code to pretty-print the Lua code chunk. Feel free to revert if it's not to your liking.
– Mico
Apr 7 at 15:15
1
@Mico Thanks. Neat trick — how do you do that?
– Thérèse
Apr 7 at 15:19
1
I inserted the directives<!-- language: lang-lua -->and<!-- language: lang-tex -->on lines by themselves, not indented by four spaces. (I can’t remember off-hand who taught me this trick — I certainly didn’t come up with it on my own.)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 16:24
add a comment |
Even among commercial fonts with many unusual ligatures, this ligature is rare. The only one in my large collection is found in P22 Hoy Pro, and it hasn’t been made readily accessible through any defined feature:
documentclassarticle
usepackagefontspec,luacode
setmainfontP22 Hoy Pro[
Contextuals=Alternate,
Ligatures=Rare]
% https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/120762:
beginluacode
documentdata = documentdata or
local stringformat = string.format
local texsprint = tex.sprint
local slot_of_name = luaotfload.aux.slot_of_name
documentdata.fontchar = function (chr)
local chr = slot_of_name(font.current(), chr, false)
if chr and type(chr) == "number" then
texsprint
(stringformat ([[char"%X]], chr))
end
end
endluacode
deffontchar#1directluadocumentdata.fontchar "#1"
begindocument
fontcharN_B: This is P22 Hoy Pro.
enddocument
edited Apr 7 at 15:14
Mico
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 13:38
ThérèseThérèse
9,67732343
Even among commercial fonts with many unusual ligatures, this ligature is rare. The only one in my large collection is found in P22 Hoy Pro, and it hasn’t been made readily accessible through any defined feature:
documentclassarticle
usepackagefontspec,luacode
setmainfontP22 Hoy Pro[
Contextuals=Alternate,
Ligatures=Rare]
% https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/120762:
beginluacode
documentdata = documentdata or
local stringformat = string.format
local texsprint = tex.sprint
local slot_of_name = luaotfload.aux.slot_of_name
documentdata.fontchar = function (chr)
local chr = slot_of_name(font.current(), chr, false)
if chr and type(chr) == "number" then
texsprint
(stringformat ([[char"%X]], chr))
end
end
endluacode
deffontchar#1directluadocumentdata.fontchar "#1"
begindocument
fontcharN_B: This is P22 Hoy Pro.
enddocument
edited Apr 7 at 15:14
Mico
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 13:38
ThérèseThérèse
9,67732343
edited Apr 7 at 15:14
Mico
286k32390779
edited Apr 7 at 15:14
Mico
286k32390779
edited Apr 7 at 15:14
Mico
286k32390779
286k32390779
answered Apr 7 at 13:38
ThérèseThérèse
9,67732343
answered Apr 7 at 13:38
ThérèseThérèse
9,67732343
answered Apr 7 at 13:38
ThérèseThérèse
9,67732343
9,67732343
2
+1. P22 Hoy Pro is a truly remarkable font face! :-)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 14:31
I've taken the liberty of inserting some meta-code to pretty-print the Lua code chunk. Feel free to revert if it's not to your liking.
– Mico
Apr 7 at 15:15
1
@Mico Thanks. Neat trick — how do you do that?
– Thérèse
Apr 7 at 15:19
1
I inserted the directives<!-- language: lang-lua -->and<!-- language: lang-tex -->on lines by themselves, not indented by four spaces. (I can’t remember off-hand who taught me this trick — I certainly didn’t come up with it on my own.)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 16:24
add a comment |
2
+1. P22 Hoy Pro is a truly remarkable font face! :-)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 14:31
I've taken the liberty of inserting some meta-code to pretty-print the Lua code chunk. Feel free to revert if it's not to your liking.
– Mico
Apr 7 at 15:15
1
@Mico Thanks. Neat trick — how do you do that?
– Thérèse
Apr 7 at 15:19
1
I inserted the directives<!-- language: lang-lua -->and<!-- language: lang-tex -->on lines by themselves, not indented by four spaces. (I can’t remember off-hand who taught me this trick — I certainly didn’t come up with it on my own.)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 16:24
2
2
+1. P22 Hoy Pro is a truly remarkable font face! :-)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 14:31
+1. P22 Hoy Pro is a truly remarkable font face! :-)
– Mico
Apr 7 at 14:31
I've taken the liberty of inserting some meta-code to pretty-print the Lua code chunk. Feel free to revert if it's not to your liking.
– Mico
Apr 7 at 15:15
I've taken the liberty of inserting some meta-code to pretty-print the Lua code chunk. Feel free to revert if it's not to your liking.
– Mico
Apr 7 at 15:15
1
1
@Mico Thanks. Neat trick — how do you do that?
– Thérèse
Apr 7 at 15:19
@Mico Thanks. Neat trick — how do you do that?
– Thérèse
Apr 7 at 15:19
1
1
I inserted the directives
<!-- language: lang-lua --> and <!-- language: lang-tex --> on lines by themselves, not indented by four spaces. (I can’t remember off-hand who taught me this trick — I certainly didn’t come up with it on my own.)– Mico
Apr 7 at 16:24
I inserted the directives
<!-- language: lang-lua --> and <!-- language: lang-tex --> on lines by themselves, not indented by four spaces. (I can’t remember off-hand who taught me this trick — I certainly didn’t come up with it on my own.)– Mico
Apr 7 at 16:24
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