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Why does the UK parliament need a vote on the political declaration?



The Next CEO of Stack OverflowWhat would happen if the UK parliment voted through the deal, but blocked the declaration?Will the British Parliament prevent “Brexit”?Why does the UK Parliament still prohibit members from resigning?Why do the leaders of UK political parties need a seat in parliament?What is required to trigger a vote in UK parliament and what makes it ‘binding’?Could the UK Parliament defy the delay on the meaningful vote and simply vote on it?How does “giving way” in the UK parliament work?Does “government” mean something different in British and American English?Could a UK political party place a Three Line Whip on all votes in Parliament?Does the UK parliament need to pass secondary legislation to accept the Article 50 extensionWhat is the difference between Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement and its associated Political Declaration?










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As reported in the bbc article available here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47742395



The UK government has split the 'deal' into the actual agreement and the non-legally binding political declaration - an explanation of which is available here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46303751



Since it seems more like a statement of intent than anything else, why would the government need parliament to vote on it at all? Couldn't they just get the actual agreement through, then say "You've had your meaningful vote. Deal with it."










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  • The broader answer is that the whole political system is designed so that no one person has absolute power to make decisions. British history has been directly ruled by the monarch, people didn't like it, there was a civil war. If the leader can make and implement decisions unanimously, the idea of elected representatives is meaningless.

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As reported in the bbc article available here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47742395



The UK government has split the 'deal' into the actual agreement and the non-legally binding political declaration - an explanation of which is available here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46303751



Since it seems more like a statement of intent than anything else, why would the government need parliament to vote on it at all? Couldn't they just get the actual agreement through, then say "You've had your meaningful vote. Deal with it."










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  • The broader answer is that the whole political system is designed so that no one person has absolute power to make decisions. British history has been directly ruled by the monarch, people didn't like it, there was a civil war. If the leader can make and implement decisions unanimously, the idea of elected representatives is meaningless.

    – AJFaraday
    2 days ago













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As reported in the bbc article available here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47742395



The UK government has split the 'deal' into the actual agreement and the non-legally binding political declaration - an explanation of which is available here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46303751



Since it seems more like a statement of intent than anything else, why would the government need parliament to vote on it at all? Couldn't they just get the actual agreement through, then say "You've had your meaningful vote. Deal with it."










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As reported in the bbc article available here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47742395



The UK government has split the 'deal' into the actual agreement and the non-legally binding political declaration - an explanation of which is available here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46303751



Since it seems more like a statement of intent than anything else, why would the government need parliament to vote on it at all? Couldn't they just get the actual agreement through, then say "You've had your meaningful vote. Deal with it."







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  • The broader answer is that the whole political system is designed so that no one person has absolute power to make decisions. British history has been directly ruled by the monarch, people didn't like it, there was a civil war. If the leader can make and implement decisions unanimously, the idea of elected representatives is meaningless.

    – AJFaraday
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  • The broader answer is that the whole political system is designed so that no one person has absolute power to make decisions. British history has been directly ruled by the monarch, people didn't like it, there was a civil war. If the leader can make and implement decisions unanimously, the idea of elected representatives is meaningless.

    – AJFaraday
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The broader answer is that the whole political system is designed so that no one person has absolute power to make decisions. British history has been directly ruled by the monarch, people didn't like it, there was a civil war. If the leader can make and implement decisions unanimously, the idea of elected representatives is meaningless.

– AJFaraday
2 days ago





The broader answer is that the whole political system is designed so that no one person has absolute power to make decisions. British history has been directly ruled by the monarch, people didn't like it, there was a civil war. If the leader can make and implement decisions unanimously, the idea of elected representatives is meaningless.

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Because the UK domestic law says so, in section 13 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018:



13  Parliamentary approval of the outcome of negotiations with the EU

(1)  The withdrawal agreement may be ratified only if—
(a)  a Minister of the Crown has laid before each House of Parliament—
(i)  a statement that political agreement has been reached,
(ii)  a copy of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, and
(iii)  a copy of the framework for the future relationship,
(b)  the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future
relationship have been approved by a resolution of the House of Commons on a motion
moved by a Minister of the Crown,





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    Article 50, which governs how countries leave the EU, states that in the two years after triggering it the EU will negotiate how that country will leave with consideration given to the future trading relationship.



    So the UK tried to include a political declaration about that future relationship.



    That failed spectacularly, twice. So now the government is just trying to pass the part that sets up the transition period and trade negotiations, with would technically deliver brexit as the UK would leave the European Union. May has already said she is going and will leave the mess for someone else to clear up, so her focus right now is securing her legacy by being able claim she delivered.



    As for the meaningful vote, to avoid a constitutional crisis and further legal action they will have to eventually vote on the future relationship, but that will be somebody else's problem.






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    • Thanks, but I don't understand how this mandates a vote in the UK parliament on the political declaration? I can see how it might mean Europe would need to agree to it (and have done) but I don't see a mechanism by which the PM couldn't pass the actual deal, then tell Parliament to go home. Wasn't the political declaration just a fig leaf to get Parliament to pass the deal in the first place?

      – David
      2 days ago












    • @David Gina Miller's legal action and the subsequent legislation created a legal requirement for her to have a meaningful vote on the political declaration.

      – user
      2 days ago











    • Yes, I understand, but would that requirement not be fulfilled by voting on the actual deal?

      – David
      2 days ago











    • @David It wouldn't because the requirement is on a meaningful vote on the shape of the future relationship. In fact today's vote should be considered a meaningful vote as it does shape that relationship, e.g. the backstop, but the government is trying to make out that it's not.

      – user
      2 days ago


















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    The Speaker of the House of Commons has said that he won't allow a motion that is substantially the same as a previously defeated motion to be moved by the Government. This is their workaround, splitting it into two motions to be voted on separately.



    It may be the case that the government does not need the vote on the political declaration, but they hold the vote anyway as another "advisory" vote. It would certainly look bad that they hold "continuous meaningful votes until one passes" by doing constant fiddles like this.






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    • I understand that, but it still doesn't answer the question - can't Theresa let the deal go through and not have a vote on the declaration at all?

      – David
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    • Thanks, so they don't need to hold a vote on the declaration, its just optics? What happens if they pass the deal, but not the declaration? though maybe that's another question

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    Because the UK domestic law says so, in section 13 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018:



    13  Parliamentary approval of the outcome of negotiations with the EU

    (1)  The withdrawal agreement may be ratified only if—
    (a)  a Minister of the Crown has laid before each House of Parliament—
    (i)  a statement that political agreement has been reached,
    (ii)  a copy of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, and
    (iii)  a copy of the framework for the future relationship,
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      Because the UK domestic law says so, in section 13 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018:



      13  Parliamentary approval of the outcome of negotiations with the EU

      (1)  The withdrawal agreement may be ratified only if—
      (a)  a Minister of the Crown has laid before each House of Parliament—
      (i)  a statement that political agreement has been reached,
      (ii)  a copy of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, and
      (iii)  a copy of the framework for the future relationship,
      (b)  the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future
      relationship have been approved by a resolution of the House of Commons on a motion
      moved by a Minister of the Crown,





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        Because the UK domestic law says so, in section 13 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018:



        13  Parliamentary approval of the outcome of negotiations with the EU

        (1)  The withdrawal agreement may be ratified only if—
        (a)  a Minister of the Crown has laid before each House of Parliament—
        (i)  a statement that political agreement has been reached,
        (ii)  a copy of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, and
        (iii)  a copy of the framework for the future relationship,
        (b)  the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future
        relationship have been approved by a resolution of the House of Commons on a motion
        moved by a Minister of the Crown,





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        Because the UK domestic law says so, in section 13 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018:



        13  Parliamentary approval of the outcome of negotiations with the EU

        (1)  The withdrawal agreement may be ratified only if—
        (a)  a Minister of the Crown has laid before each House of Parliament—
        (i)  a statement that political agreement has been reached,
        (ii)  a copy of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, and
        (iii)  a copy of the framework for the future relationship,
        (b)  the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future
        relationship have been approved by a resolution of the House of Commons on a motion
        moved by a Minister of the Crown,






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            Article 50, which governs how countries leave the EU, states that in the two years after triggering it the EU will negotiate how that country will leave with consideration given to the future trading relationship.



            So the UK tried to include a political declaration about that future relationship.



            That failed spectacularly, twice. So now the government is just trying to pass the part that sets up the transition period and trade negotiations, with would technically deliver brexit as the UK would leave the European Union. May has already said she is going and will leave the mess for someone else to clear up, so her focus right now is securing her legacy by being able claim she delivered.



            As for the meaningful vote, to avoid a constitutional crisis and further legal action they will have to eventually vote on the future relationship, but that will be somebody else's problem.






            share|improve this answer























            • Thanks, but I don't understand how this mandates a vote in the UK parliament on the political declaration? I can see how it might mean Europe would need to agree to it (and have done) but I don't see a mechanism by which the PM couldn't pass the actual deal, then tell Parliament to go home. Wasn't the political declaration just a fig leaf to get Parliament to pass the deal in the first place?

              – David
              2 days ago












            • @David Gina Miller's legal action and the subsequent legislation created a legal requirement for her to have a meaningful vote on the political declaration.

              – user
              2 days ago











            • Yes, I understand, but would that requirement not be fulfilled by voting on the actual deal?

              – David
              2 days ago











            • @David It wouldn't because the requirement is on a meaningful vote on the shape of the future relationship. In fact today's vote should be considered a meaningful vote as it does shape that relationship, e.g. the backstop, but the government is trying to make out that it's not.

              – user
              2 days ago















            5














            Article 50, which governs how countries leave the EU, states that in the two years after triggering it the EU will negotiate how that country will leave with consideration given to the future trading relationship.



            So the UK tried to include a political declaration about that future relationship.



            That failed spectacularly, twice. So now the government is just trying to pass the part that sets up the transition period and trade negotiations, with would technically deliver brexit as the UK would leave the European Union. May has already said she is going and will leave the mess for someone else to clear up, so her focus right now is securing her legacy by being able claim she delivered.



            As for the meaningful vote, to avoid a constitutional crisis and further legal action they will have to eventually vote on the future relationship, but that will be somebody else's problem.






            share|improve this answer























            • Thanks, but I don't understand how this mandates a vote in the UK parliament on the political declaration? I can see how it might mean Europe would need to agree to it (and have done) but I don't see a mechanism by which the PM couldn't pass the actual deal, then tell Parliament to go home. Wasn't the political declaration just a fig leaf to get Parliament to pass the deal in the first place?

              – David
              2 days ago












            • @David Gina Miller's legal action and the subsequent legislation created a legal requirement for her to have a meaningful vote on the political declaration.

              – user
              2 days ago











            • Yes, I understand, but would that requirement not be fulfilled by voting on the actual deal?

              – David
              2 days ago











            • @David It wouldn't because the requirement is on a meaningful vote on the shape of the future relationship. In fact today's vote should be considered a meaningful vote as it does shape that relationship, e.g. the backstop, but the government is trying to make out that it's not.

              – user
              2 days ago













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            Article 50, which governs how countries leave the EU, states that in the two years after triggering it the EU will negotiate how that country will leave with consideration given to the future trading relationship.



            So the UK tried to include a political declaration about that future relationship.



            That failed spectacularly, twice. So now the government is just trying to pass the part that sets up the transition period and trade negotiations, with would technically deliver brexit as the UK would leave the European Union. May has already said she is going and will leave the mess for someone else to clear up, so her focus right now is securing her legacy by being able claim she delivered.



            As for the meaningful vote, to avoid a constitutional crisis and further legal action they will have to eventually vote on the future relationship, but that will be somebody else's problem.






            share|improve this answer













            Article 50, which governs how countries leave the EU, states that in the two years after triggering it the EU will negotiate how that country will leave with consideration given to the future trading relationship.



            So the UK tried to include a political declaration about that future relationship.



            That failed spectacularly, twice. So now the government is just trying to pass the part that sets up the transition period and trade negotiations, with would technically deliver brexit as the UK would leave the European Union. May has already said she is going and will leave the mess for someone else to clear up, so her focus right now is securing her legacy by being able claim she delivered.



            As for the meaningful vote, to avoid a constitutional crisis and further legal action they will have to eventually vote on the future relationship, but that will be somebody else's problem.







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            • Thanks, but I don't understand how this mandates a vote in the UK parliament on the political declaration? I can see how it might mean Europe would need to agree to it (and have done) but I don't see a mechanism by which the PM couldn't pass the actual deal, then tell Parliament to go home. Wasn't the political declaration just a fig leaf to get Parliament to pass the deal in the first place?

              – David
              2 days ago












            • @David Gina Miller's legal action and the subsequent legislation created a legal requirement for her to have a meaningful vote on the political declaration.

              – user
              2 days ago











            • Yes, I understand, but would that requirement not be fulfilled by voting on the actual deal?

              – David
              2 days ago











            • @David It wouldn't because the requirement is on a meaningful vote on the shape of the future relationship. In fact today's vote should be considered a meaningful vote as it does shape that relationship, e.g. the backstop, but the government is trying to make out that it's not.

              – user
              2 days ago

















            • Thanks, but I don't understand how this mandates a vote in the UK parliament on the political declaration? I can see how it might mean Europe would need to agree to it (and have done) but I don't see a mechanism by which the PM couldn't pass the actual deal, then tell Parliament to go home. Wasn't the political declaration just a fig leaf to get Parliament to pass the deal in the first place?

              – David
              2 days ago












            • @David Gina Miller's legal action and the subsequent legislation created a legal requirement for her to have a meaningful vote on the political declaration.

              – user
              2 days ago











            • Yes, I understand, but would that requirement not be fulfilled by voting on the actual deal?

              – David
              2 days ago











            • @David It wouldn't because the requirement is on a meaningful vote on the shape of the future relationship. In fact today's vote should be considered a meaningful vote as it does shape that relationship, e.g. the backstop, but the government is trying to make out that it's not.

              – user
              2 days ago
















            Thanks, but I don't understand how this mandates a vote in the UK parliament on the political declaration? I can see how it might mean Europe would need to agree to it (and have done) but I don't see a mechanism by which the PM couldn't pass the actual deal, then tell Parliament to go home. Wasn't the political declaration just a fig leaf to get Parliament to pass the deal in the first place?

            – David
            2 days ago






            Thanks, but I don't understand how this mandates a vote in the UK parliament on the political declaration? I can see how it might mean Europe would need to agree to it (and have done) but I don't see a mechanism by which the PM couldn't pass the actual deal, then tell Parliament to go home. Wasn't the political declaration just a fig leaf to get Parliament to pass the deal in the first place?

            – David
            2 days ago














            @David Gina Miller's legal action and the subsequent legislation created a legal requirement for her to have a meaningful vote on the political declaration.

            – user
            2 days ago





            @David Gina Miller's legal action and the subsequent legislation created a legal requirement for her to have a meaningful vote on the political declaration.

            – user
            2 days ago













            Yes, I understand, but would that requirement not be fulfilled by voting on the actual deal?

            – David
            2 days ago





            Yes, I understand, but would that requirement not be fulfilled by voting on the actual deal?

            – David
            2 days ago













            @David It wouldn't because the requirement is on a meaningful vote on the shape of the future relationship. In fact today's vote should be considered a meaningful vote as it does shape that relationship, e.g. the backstop, but the government is trying to make out that it's not.

            – user
            2 days ago





            @David It wouldn't because the requirement is on a meaningful vote on the shape of the future relationship. In fact today's vote should be considered a meaningful vote as it does shape that relationship, e.g. the backstop, but the government is trying to make out that it's not.

            – user
            2 days ago











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            The Speaker of the House of Commons has said that he won't allow a motion that is substantially the same as a previously defeated motion to be moved by the Government. This is their workaround, splitting it into two motions to be voted on separately.



            It may be the case that the government does not need the vote on the political declaration, but they hold the vote anyway as another "advisory" vote. It would certainly look bad that they hold "continuous meaningful votes until one passes" by doing constant fiddles like this.






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            • I understand that, but it still doesn't answer the question - can't Theresa let the deal go through and not have a vote on the declaration at all?

              – David
              2 days ago












            • Thanks, so they don't need to hold a vote on the declaration, its just optics? What happens if they pass the deal, but not the declaration? though maybe that's another question

              – David
              2 days ago















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            The Speaker of the House of Commons has said that he won't allow a motion that is substantially the same as a previously defeated motion to be moved by the Government. This is their workaround, splitting it into two motions to be voted on separately.



            It may be the case that the government does not need the vote on the political declaration, but they hold the vote anyway as another "advisory" vote. It would certainly look bad that they hold "continuous meaningful votes until one passes" by doing constant fiddles like this.






            share|improve this answer

























            • I understand that, but it still doesn't answer the question - can't Theresa let the deal go through and not have a vote on the declaration at all?

              – David
              2 days ago












            • Thanks, so they don't need to hold a vote on the declaration, its just optics? What happens if they pass the deal, but not the declaration? though maybe that's another question

              – David
              2 days ago













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            The Speaker of the House of Commons has said that he won't allow a motion that is substantially the same as a previously defeated motion to be moved by the Government. This is their workaround, splitting it into two motions to be voted on separately.



            It may be the case that the government does not need the vote on the political declaration, but they hold the vote anyway as another "advisory" vote. It would certainly look bad that they hold "continuous meaningful votes until one passes" by doing constant fiddles like this.






            share|improve this answer















            The Speaker of the House of Commons has said that he won't allow a motion that is substantially the same as a previously defeated motion to be moved by the Government. This is their workaround, splitting it into two motions to be voted on separately.



            It may be the case that the government does not need the vote on the political declaration, but they hold the vote anyway as another "advisory" vote. It would certainly look bad that they hold "continuous meaningful votes until one passes" by doing constant fiddles like this.







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            • I understand that, but it still doesn't answer the question - can't Theresa let the deal go through and not have a vote on the declaration at all?

              – David
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            • Thanks, so they don't need to hold a vote on the declaration, its just optics? What happens if they pass the deal, but not the declaration? though maybe that's another question

              – David
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            • I understand that, but it still doesn't answer the question - can't Theresa let the deal go through and not have a vote on the declaration at all?

              – David
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            • Thanks, so they don't need to hold a vote on the declaration, its just optics? What happens if they pass the deal, but not the declaration? though maybe that's another question

              – David
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            I understand that, but it still doesn't answer the question - can't Theresa let the deal go through and not have a vote on the declaration at all?

            – David
            2 days ago






            I understand that, but it still doesn't answer the question - can't Theresa let the deal go through and not have a vote on the declaration at all?

            – David
            2 days ago














            Thanks, so they don't need to hold a vote on the declaration, its just optics? What happens if they pass the deal, but not the declaration? though maybe that's another question

            – David
            2 days ago





            Thanks, so they don't need to hold a vote on the declaration, its just optics? What happens if they pass the deal, but not the declaration? though maybe that's another question

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