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I have heard in the past a kind of argument to show that there is no self along the lines of: are you your body? No, your cells regenerate all the time. Are you your emotions? No, they come and go. Are you ... ? The questioning goes on and on like that till there is nothing left. Is that argument actually found in the sutras? If yes, in which one?
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I have heard in the past a kind of argument to show that there is no self along the lines of: are you your body? No, your cells regenerate all the time. Are you your emotions? No, they come and go. Are you ... ? The questioning goes on and on like that till there is nothing left. Is that argument actually found in the sutras? If yes, in which one?
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I have heard in the past a kind of argument to show that there is no self along the lines of: are you your body? No, your cells regenerate all the time. Are you your emotions? No, they come and go. Are you ... ? The questioning goes on and on like that till there is nothing left. Is that argument actually found in the sutras? If yes, in which one?
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Not-self (Anatta) is a teaching which is difficult even to understand by an advanced practitioner. Anatta Lakhana Sutta is the direct teaching of this doctrine.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.mend.html
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Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
verse 8 and verse 3 here:-
http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm
For matter :-
Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
element.
For non matter :-
Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
formations, and consciousness.
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You might want to read :
SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi
MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html
MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html
“He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.
“This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”
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It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.
Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
"Nagasena?"
"No, Great King!"
"Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]
The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.
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Not-self (Anatta) is a teaching which is difficult even to understand by an advanced practitioner. Anatta Lakhana Sutta is the direct teaching of this doctrine.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.mend.html
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Not-self (Anatta) is a teaching which is difficult even to understand by an advanced practitioner. Anatta Lakhana Sutta is the direct teaching of this doctrine.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.mend.html
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Not-self (Anatta) is a teaching which is difficult even to understand by an advanced practitioner. Anatta Lakhana Sutta is the direct teaching of this doctrine.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.mend.html
Not-self (Anatta) is a teaching which is difficult even to understand by an advanced practitioner. Anatta Lakhana Sutta is the direct teaching of this doctrine.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.mend.html
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Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
verse 8 and verse 3 here:-
http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm
For matter :-
Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
element.
For non matter :-
Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
formations, and consciousness.
add a comment |
Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
verse 8 and verse 3 here:-
http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm
For matter :-
Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
element.
For non matter :-
Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
formations, and consciousness.
add a comment |
Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
verse 8 and verse 3 here:-
http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm
For matter :-
Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
element.
For non matter :-
Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
formations, and consciousness.
Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
verse 8 and verse 3 here:-
http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm
For matter :-
Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
element.
For non matter :-
Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
formations, and consciousness.
edited Apr 14 at 11:49
answered Apr 14 at 11:43
Omar AhmedOmar Ahmed
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You might want to read :
SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi
MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html
MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html
“He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.
“This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”
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You might want to read :
SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi
MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html
MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html
“He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.
“This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”
add a comment |
You might want to read :
SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi
MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html
MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html
“He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.
“This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”
You might want to read :
SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi
MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html
MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html
“He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.
“This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”
answered Apr 14 at 4:58
Fabien TodescatoFabien Todescato
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It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.
Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
"Nagasena?"
"No, Great King!"
"Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]
The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.
add a comment |
It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.
Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
"Nagasena?"
"No, Great King!"
"Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]
The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.
add a comment |
It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.
Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
"Nagasena?"
"No, Great King!"
"Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]
The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.
It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.
Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
"Nagasena?"
"No, Great King!"
"Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]
The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.
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