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          Not-self (Anatta) is a teaching which is difficult even to understand by an advanced practitioner. Anatta Lakhana Sutta is the direct teaching of this doctrine.
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            Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
            verse 8 and verse 3 here:-



            http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm



            For matter :-




            Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
            solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
            teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
            diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
            of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
            oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
            internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
            external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
            seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
            this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
            actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
            earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
            element.




            For non matter :-




            Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
            thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
            future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
            superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
            is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
            not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
            Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
            formations, and consciousness.







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              SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
              https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
              https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi



              MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
              https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html



              MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
              https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html



              “He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.



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                It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.




                Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
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                "No, Great King!"



                "Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]




                The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.






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                      Not-self (Anatta) is a teaching which is difficult even to understand by an advanced practitioner. Anatta Lakhana Sutta is the direct teaching of this doctrine.
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                      Not-self (Anatta) is a teaching which is difficult even to understand by an advanced practitioner. Anatta Lakhana Sutta is the direct teaching of this doctrine.
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                          Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
                          verse 8 and verse 3 here:-



                          http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm



                          For matter :-




                          Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
                          solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
                          teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
                          diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
                          of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
                          oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
                          internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
                          external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
                          seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
                          this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
                          actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
                          earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
                          element.




                          For non matter :-




                          Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
                          thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
                          future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
                          superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
                          is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
                          not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
                          Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
                          formations, and consciousness.







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                            Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
                            verse 8 and verse 3 here:-



                            http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm



                            For matter :-




                            Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
                            solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
                            teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
                            diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
                            of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
                            oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
                            internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
                            external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
                            seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
                            this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
                            actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
                            earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
                            element.




                            For non matter :-




                            Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
                            thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
                            future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
                            superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
                            is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
                            not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
                            Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
                            formations, and consciousness.







                            share|improve this answer



























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                              Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
                              verse 8 and verse 3 here:-



                              http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm



                              For matter :-




                              Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
                              solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
                              teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
                              diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
                              of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
                              oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
                              internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
                              external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
                              seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
                              this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
                              actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
                              earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
                              element.




                              For non matter :-




                              Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
                              thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
                              future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
                              superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
                              is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
                              not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
                              Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
                              formations, and consciousness.







                              share|improve this answer















                              Buddha gave advice to his son Rahula regarding this in Sutta 62,
                              verse 8 and verse 3 here:-



                              http://buddhadust.net/dhamma-vinaya/wp/mn/mn.062.ntbb.wp.htm



                              For matter :-




                              Rahula, whatever internally, belonging to oneself, is solid,
                              solidified, and clung-to, that is, head-hairs, body-hairs, nails,
                              teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, bone-marrow, kidneys, heart, liver,
                              diaphragm, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, contents
                              of the stomach, feces, or whatever else internally, belonging to
                              oneself, is solid, solidified, and clung-to: this is called the
                              internal earth element. Now both the internal earth element and the
                              external earth element are simply earth element. And that should be
                              seen as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: “This is not mine,
                              this I am not, this is not my self.” When one sees it thus as it
                              actually is with proper wisdom, one becomes disenchanted with the
                              earth element and makes the mind dispassionate towards the earth
                              element.




                              For non matter :-




                              Then the Blessed One looked back and addressed the venerable Rāhula
                              thus:[641] "Rāhula, any kind of material form whatever, whether past,
                              future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or
                              superior, far or near, all material form should be seen as it actually
                              is with proper wisdom thus: 'This is not mine, this I am not, this is
                              not my self."' "Only material form, Blessed One? Only material form,
                              Sublime One?" "Material form, Rāhula, and feeling, perception,
                              formations, and consciousness.








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                                  You might want to read :



                                  SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
                                  https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
                                  https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi



                                  MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
                                  https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html



                                  MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
                                  https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html



                                  “He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.



                                  “This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”






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                                    You might want to read :



                                    SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
                                    https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
                                    https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi



                                    MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
                                    https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html



                                    MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
                                    https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html



                                    “He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.



                                    “This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”






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                                      You might want to read :



                                      SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
                                      https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
                                      https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi



                                      MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
                                      https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html



                                      MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
                                      https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html



                                      “He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.



                                      “This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”






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                                      You might want to read :



                                      SN 12:15 • Kaccanagotta
                                      https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_15.html
                                      https://suttacentral.net/sn12.15/en/bodhi



                                      MN 72 • Aggi-vacchagotta Sutta
                                      https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN72.html



                                      MN 109 • Mahā Puṇṇama Sutta
                                      https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN109.html



                                      “He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.



                                      “This, monk, is how self-identification view comes about.”







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                                          It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.




                                          Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
                                          "Nagasena?"



                                          "No, Great King!"



                                          "Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]




                                          The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.






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                                            It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.




                                            Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
                                            "Nagasena?"



                                            "No, Great King!"



                                            "Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]




                                            The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.






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                                              It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.




                                              Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
                                              "Nagasena?"



                                              "No, Great King!"



                                              "Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]




                                              The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.






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                                              It's in the The Questions of King Milinda, in the section which contains the analogy (or parable) of the Chariot.




                                              Then, what is this "Nagasena"? Are perhaps the hairs of the head
                                              "Nagasena?"



                                              "No, Great King!"



                                              "Or perhaps the nails, [etc.]




                                              The questions, the Milinda Panha, is in the Khuddaka Nikaya.







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