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Looking for Correct Greek Translation for Heraclitus
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Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?Is this translation from Ancient Greek correct?Is my translation correct (Koine Greek silly sentence)Is my translation of “ichthys” (in Greek) correct?Etymology and pronunciation of words ending in “-iasis”Translation of Greek “ἅπτω” in John 20:17Rules to constructing a proper compound noun in Ancient GreekElevatis oculis?Is there any explanation for the formation of “bomphiologia” as a Greek word for “verborum bombus”?Identifying corrupted Sappho fragment or mention of Sappho found in just-newly-found-online Spanish edition of SapphoCan you please fix the mistakes in translating these prayers from Koine Greek to English (Part 1 of 2)?
I have found this quote in a variety of sources, but am wary of the Greek translation (knowing nothing of greek in its many forms over the years) COuld someone help me correctly find the original Koine (or Attic) translation for this quote:
"All things come into being through opposition and all are in flux like a river" (DK 22A1)
Google Translate:
Όλα τα πράγματα έχουν δημιουργηθεί μέσω της αντιπολίτευσης και όλα είναι ρευστή σαν ένα ποτάμι
Óla ta prágmata échoun dimiourgitheí méso tis antipolítefsis kai óla eínai refstí san éna potámi
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I have found this quote in a variety of sources, but am wary of the Greek translation (knowing nothing of greek in its many forms over the years) COuld someone help me correctly find the original Koine (or Attic) translation for this quote:
"All things come into being through opposition and all are in flux like a river" (DK 22A1)
Google Translate:
Όλα τα πράγματα έχουν δημιουργηθεί μέσω της αντιπολίτευσης και όλα είναι ρευστή σαν ένα ποτάμι
Óla ta prágmata échoun dimiourgitheí méso tis antipolítefsis kai óla eínai refstí san éna potámi
greek sentence-translation greek-translation
edited Apr 11 at 9:33
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I have found this quote in a variety of sources, but am wary of the Greek translation (knowing nothing of greek in its many forms over the years) COuld someone help me correctly find the original Koine (or Attic) translation for this quote:
"All things come into being through opposition and all are in flux like a river" (DK 22A1)
Google Translate:
Όλα τα πράγματα έχουν δημιουργηθεί μέσω της αντιπολίτευσης και όλα είναι ρευστή σαν ένα ποτάμι
Óla ta prágmata échoun dimiourgitheí méso tis antipolítefsis kai óla eínai refstí san éna potámi
greek sentence-translation greek-translation
edited Apr 11 at 9:33
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asked Apr 11 at 1:18
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I have found this quote in a variety of sources, but am wary of the Greek translation (knowing nothing of greek in its many forms over the years) COuld someone help me correctly find the original Koine (or Attic) translation for this quote:
"All things come into being through opposition and all are in flux like a river" (DK 22A1)
Google Translate:
Όλα τα πράγματα έχουν δημιουργηθεί μέσω της αντιπολίτευσης και όλα είναι ρευστή σαν ένα ποτάμι
Óla ta prágmata échoun dimiourgitheí méso tis antipolítefsis kai óla eínai refstí san éna potámi
greek sentence-translation greek-translation
greek sentence-translation greek-translation
edited Apr 11 at 9:33
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I would never trust Google Translate for quotes, especially ancient ones; even if it's totally accurate, it's giving you Modern Greek, and isn't smart enough to look up the original source of quotes.
"DK 22A1" means it's listed in Diels and Kranz's Fragments of the Presocratic Philosophers, chapter 22, secondary sources, source number 1. Checking their book, that source is Diogenes Laertius's Lives of Eminent Philosophers, book 9, chapter 1. And that work is contained in LCL 185, the 185th book in the Loeb Classical Library collection.
After chasing down these pointers for a while and reading through Laertius's rather amusing summary, it seems like the quote you want is in the middle of section 8:
Γίνεσθαί τε πάντα κατ' ἐναντιότητα καὶ ῥεῖν τὰ ὅλα ποταμοῦ δίκην, πεπεράνθαι τε τὸ πᾶν καὶ ἕνα εἶναι κόσμον.
Gínesthaí te pánta kat' enantiótēta kaì rheîn tà hóla potamoû díkēn, peperánthai te tò pân kaì héna eînai kósmon.
[Heraclitus] also [says] that everything is born out of opposing forces, and the whole system flows in the manner of a river—and also that all of it is finite, and forms a single universe. (Trans. mine)
Note that this isn't an actual quote from Heraclitus: it's from a later historian/philosopher summarizing his belief system. The words right before this quote are actually σαφῶς δ' οὐδὲν ἐκτίθεται: "…but he never actually explains this properly"!
answered Apr 11 at 2:01
DraconisDraconis
18.7k22576
Well, hmmm... the general idea of "change is the only constant" and "life is flux" (panta rhei) is what I was hoping to find with an actual quote from one of the fragments of his work. Instead it appears that what this is is an interpretation of his words. That would be (for me) the equivalent of quoting someone talking about the meaning of a Bob Dylan song, instead of quoting the song itself. I am struggling to find something meaningful that is as close to the original source as possible. Any suggestions? “The way up and the way down are one and the same." - Thank you
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 15:23
@BillBeemer Unfortunately, none of Heraclitus's actual writings have survived. What we have are other writers summarizing his works (like this), or occasionally quoting him directly: there are a couple quotes in the Cratylus, and some more in Thrax, but the Cratylus ones in particular may not be exactly accurate either. If what you're looking for is a direct quote from Heraclitus expressing that everything changes, that might be a good question to ask separately!
– Draconis
Apr 11 at 15:40
Thank you again - at this point, I am thinking that a correct 'spelling' of panta rhei (in the correct dialect for the era) would suffice. I will post anew. (I am so glad that I found this web site)
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 16:35
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I would never trust Google Translate for quotes, especially ancient ones; even if it's totally accurate, it's giving you Modern Greek, and isn't smart enough to look up the original source of quotes.
"DK 22A1" means it's listed in Diels and Kranz's Fragments of the Presocratic Philosophers, chapter 22, secondary sources, source number 1. Checking their book, that source is Diogenes Laertius's Lives of Eminent Philosophers, book 9, chapter 1. And that work is contained in LCL 185, the 185th book in the Loeb Classical Library collection.
After chasing down these pointers for a while and reading through Laertius's rather amusing summary, it seems like the quote you want is in the middle of section 8:
Γίνεσθαί τε πάντα κατ' ἐναντιότητα καὶ ῥεῖν τὰ ὅλα ποταμοῦ δίκην, πεπεράνθαι τε τὸ πᾶν καὶ ἕνα εἶναι κόσμον.
Gínesthaí te pánta kat' enantiótēta kaì rheîn tà hóla potamoû díkēn, peperánthai te tò pân kaì héna eînai kósmon.
[Heraclitus] also [says] that everything is born out of opposing forces, and the whole system flows in the manner of a river—and also that all of it is finite, and forms a single universe. (Trans. mine)
Note that this isn't an actual quote from Heraclitus: it's from a later historian/philosopher summarizing his belief system. The words right before this quote are actually σαφῶς δ' οὐδὲν ἐκτίθεται: "…but he never actually explains this properly"!
answered Apr 11 at 2:01
DraconisDraconis
18.7k22576
Well, hmmm... the general idea of "change is the only constant" and "life is flux" (panta rhei) is what I was hoping to find with an actual quote from one of the fragments of his work. Instead it appears that what this is is an interpretation of his words. That would be (for me) the equivalent of quoting someone talking about the meaning of a Bob Dylan song, instead of quoting the song itself. I am struggling to find something meaningful that is as close to the original source as possible. Any suggestions? “The way up and the way down are one and the same." - Thank you
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 15:23
@BillBeemer Unfortunately, none of Heraclitus's actual writings have survived. What we have are other writers summarizing his works (like this), or occasionally quoting him directly: there are a couple quotes in the Cratylus, and some more in Thrax, but the Cratylus ones in particular may not be exactly accurate either. If what you're looking for is a direct quote from Heraclitus expressing that everything changes, that might be a good question to ask separately!
– Draconis
Apr 11 at 15:40
Thank you again - at this point, I am thinking that a correct 'spelling' of panta rhei (in the correct dialect for the era) would suffice. I will post anew. (I am so glad that I found this web site)
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 16:35
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I would never trust Google Translate for quotes, especially ancient ones; even if it's totally accurate, it's giving you Modern Greek, and isn't smart enough to look up the original source of quotes.
"DK 22A1" means it's listed in Diels and Kranz's Fragments of the Presocratic Philosophers, chapter 22, secondary sources, source number 1. Checking their book, that source is Diogenes Laertius's Lives of Eminent Philosophers, book 9, chapter 1. And that work is contained in LCL 185, the 185th book in the Loeb Classical Library collection.
After chasing down these pointers for a while and reading through Laertius's rather amusing summary, it seems like the quote you want is in the middle of section 8:
Γίνεσθαί τε πάντα κατ' ἐναντιότητα καὶ ῥεῖν τὰ ὅλα ποταμοῦ δίκην, πεπεράνθαι τε τὸ πᾶν καὶ ἕνα εἶναι κόσμον.
Gínesthaí te pánta kat' enantiótēta kaì rheîn tà hóla potamoû díkēn, peperánthai te tò pân kaì héna eînai kósmon.
[Heraclitus] also [says] that everything is born out of opposing forces, and the whole system flows in the manner of a river—and also that all of it is finite, and forms a single universe. (Trans. mine)
Note that this isn't an actual quote from Heraclitus: it's from a later historian/philosopher summarizing his belief system. The words right before this quote are actually σαφῶς δ' οὐδὲν ἐκτίθεται: "…but he never actually explains this properly"!
answered Apr 11 at 2:01
DraconisDraconis
18.7k22576
Well, hmmm... the general idea of "change is the only constant" and "life is flux" (panta rhei) is what I was hoping to find with an actual quote from one of the fragments of his work. Instead it appears that what this is is an interpretation of his words. That would be (for me) the equivalent of quoting someone talking about the meaning of a Bob Dylan song, instead of quoting the song itself. I am struggling to find something meaningful that is as close to the original source as possible. Any suggestions? “The way up and the way down are one and the same." - Thank you
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 15:23
@BillBeemer Unfortunately, none of Heraclitus's actual writings have survived. What we have are other writers summarizing his works (like this), or occasionally quoting him directly: there are a couple quotes in the Cratylus, and some more in Thrax, but the Cratylus ones in particular may not be exactly accurate either. If what you're looking for is a direct quote from Heraclitus expressing that everything changes, that might be a good question to ask separately!
– Draconis
Apr 11 at 15:40
Thank you again - at this point, I am thinking that a correct 'spelling' of panta rhei (in the correct dialect for the era) would suffice. I will post anew. (I am so glad that I found this web site)
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 16:35
add a comment |
I would never trust Google Translate for quotes, especially ancient ones; even if it's totally accurate, it's giving you Modern Greek, and isn't smart enough to look up the original source of quotes.
"DK 22A1" means it's listed in Diels and Kranz's Fragments of the Presocratic Philosophers, chapter 22, secondary sources, source number 1. Checking their book, that source is Diogenes Laertius's Lives of Eminent Philosophers, book 9, chapter 1. And that work is contained in LCL 185, the 185th book in the Loeb Classical Library collection.
After chasing down these pointers for a while and reading through Laertius's rather amusing summary, it seems like the quote you want is in the middle of section 8:
Γίνεσθαί τε πάντα κατ' ἐναντιότητα καὶ ῥεῖν τὰ ὅλα ποταμοῦ δίκην, πεπεράνθαι τε τὸ πᾶν καὶ ἕνα εἶναι κόσμον.
Gínesthaí te pánta kat' enantiótēta kaì rheîn tà hóla potamoû díkēn, peperánthai te tò pân kaì héna eînai kósmon.
[Heraclitus] also [says] that everything is born out of opposing forces, and the whole system flows in the manner of a river—and also that all of it is finite, and forms a single universe. (Trans. mine)
Note that this isn't an actual quote from Heraclitus: it's from a later historian/philosopher summarizing his belief system. The words right before this quote are actually σαφῶς δ' οὐδὲν ἐκτίθεται: "…but he never actually explains this properly"!
answered Apr 11 at 2:01
DraconisDraconis
18.7k22576
I would never trust Google Translate for quotes, especially ancient ones; even if it's totally accurate, it's giving you Modern Greek, and isn't smart enough to look up the original source of quotes.
"DK 22A1" means it's listed in Diels and Kranz's Fragments of the Presocratic Philosophers, chapter 22, secondary sources, source number 1. Checking their book, that source is Diogenes Laertius's Lives of Eminent Philosophers, book 9, chapter 1. And that work is contained in LCL 185, the 185th book in the Loeb Classical Library collection.
After chasing down these pointers for a while and reading through Laertius's rather amusing summary, it seems like the quote you want is in the middle of section 8:
Γίνεσθαί τε πάντα κατ' ἐναντιότητα καὶ ῥεῖν τὰ ὅλα ποταμοῦ δίκην, πεπεράνθαι τε τὸ πᾶν καὶ ἕνα εἶναι κόσμον.
Gínesthaí te pánta kat' enantiótēta kaì rheîn tà hóla potamoû díkēn, peperánthai te tò pân kaì héna eînai kósmon.
[Heraclitus] also [says] that everything is born out of opposing forces, and the whole system flows in the manner of a river—and also that all of it is finite, and forms a single universe. (Trans. mine)
Note that this isn't an actual quote from Heraclitus: it's from a later historian/philosopher summarizing his belief system. The words right before this quote are actually σαφῶς δ' οὐδὲν ἐκτίθεται: "…but he never actually explains this properly"!
answered Apr 11 at 2:01
DraconisDraconis
18.7k22576
edited Apr 11 at 2:16
answered Apr 11 at 2:01
DraconisDraconis
18.7k22576
answered Apr 11 at 2:01
DraconisDraconis
18.7k22576
answered Apr 11 at 2:01
DraconisDraconis
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Well, hmmm... the general idea of "change is the only constant" and "life is flux" (panta rhei) is what I was hoping to find with an actual quote from one of the fragments of his work. Instead it appears that what this is is an interpretation of his words. That would be (for me) the equivalent of quoting someone talking about the meaning of a Bob Dylan song, instead of quoting the song itself. I am struggling to find something meaningful that is as close to the original source as possible. Any suggestions? “The way up and the way down are one and the same." - Thank you
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 15:23
@BillBeemer Unfortunately, none of Heraclitus's actual writings have survived. What we have are other writers summarizing his works (like this), or occasionally quoting him directly: there are a couple quotes in the Cratylus, and some more in Thrax, but the Cratylus ones in particular may not be exactly accurate either. If what you're looking for is a direct quote from Heraclitus expressing that everything changes, that might be a good question to ask separately!
– Draconis
Apr 11 at 15:40
Thank you again - at this point, I am thinking that a correct 'spelling' of panta rhei (in the correct dialect for the era) would suffice. I will post anew. (I am so glad that I found this web site)
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 16:35
add a comment |
Well, hmmm... the general idea of "change is the only constant" and "life is flux" (panta rhei) is what I was hoping to find with an actual quote from one of the fragments of his work. Instead it appears that what this is is an interpretation of his words. That would be (for me) the equivalent of quoting someone talking about the meaning of a Bob Dylan song, instead of quoting the song itself. I am struggling to find something meaningful that is as close to the original source as possible. Any suggestions? “The way up and the way down are one and the same." - Thank you
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 15:23
@BillBeemer Unfortunately, none of Heraclitus's actual writings have survived. What we have are other writers summarizing his works (like this), or occasionally quoting him directly: there are a couple quotes in the Cratylus, and some more in Thrax, but the Cratylus ones in particular may not be exactly accurate either. If what you're looking for is a direct quote from Heraclitus expressing that everything changes, that might be a good question to ask separately!
– Draconis
Apr 11 at 15:40
Thank you again - at this point, I am thinking that a correct 'spelling' of panta rhei (in the correct dialect for the era) would suffice. I will post anew. (I am so glad that I found this web site)
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 16:35
Well, hmmm... the general idea of "change is the only constant" and "life is flux" (panta rhei) is what I was hoping to find with an actual quote from one of the fragments of his work. Instead it appears that what this is is an interpretation of his words. That would be (for me) the equivalent of quoting someone talking about the meaning of a Bob Dylan song, instead of quoting the song itself. I am struggling to find something meaningful that is as close to the original source as possible. Any suggestions? “The way up and the way down are one and the same." - Thank you
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 15:23
Well, hmmm... the general idea of "change is the only constant" and "life is flux" (panta rhei) is what I was hoping to find with an actual quote from one of the fragments of his work. Instead it appears that what this is is an interpretation of his words. That would be (for me) the equivalent of quoting someone talking about the meaning of a Bob Dylan song, instead of quoting the song itself. I am struggling to find something meaningful that is as close to the original source as possible. Any suggestions? “The way up and the way down are one and the same." - Thank you
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 15:23
@BillBeemer Unfortunately, none of Heraclitus's actual writings have survived. What we have are other writers summarizing his works (like this), or occasionally quoting him directly: there are a couple quotes in the Cratylus, and some more in Thrax, but the Cratylus ones in particular may not be exactly accurate either. If what you're looking for is a direct quote from Heraclitus expressing that everything changes, that might be a good question to ask separately!
– Draconis
Apr 11 at 15:40
@BillBeemer Unfortunately, none of Heraclitus's actual writings have survived. What we have are other writers summarizing his works (like this), or occasionally quoting him directly: there are a couple quotes in the Cratylus, and some more in Thrax, but the Cratylus ones in particular may not be exactly accurate either. If what you're looking for is a direct quote from Heraclitus expressing that everything changes, that might be a good question to ask separately!
– Draconis
Apr 11 at 15:40
Thank you again - at this point, I am thinking that a correct 'spelling' of panta rhei (in the correct dialect for the era) would suffice. I will post anew. (I am so glad that I found this web site)
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 16:35
Thank you again - at this point, I am thinking that a correct 'spelling' of panta rhei (in the correct dialect for the era) would suffice. I will post anew. (I am so glad that I found this web site)
– Bill Beemer
Apr 11 at 16:35
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