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Feather, the Redeemed and Dire Fleet Daredevil
If I cast Flicker on an unearthed creature, does it remain exiled?Does Cremate counter Flashback, Scavenge, and their ilk?Does the first spell from Possibility Storm go on the stack before being exiled?How long does a creature returned by the Whip of Erebos remain on the battlefield?Does a card moving from Exile to Exile count as being moved?How does Hazoret's Undying Fury work with Aftermath cards?Crucible of Worlds and BurgeoningFlashback + Kess, Dissident MageTargeting instants with aftermath in a graveyardUnderrealm Lich and Divination
It has already been clarified by WotC that Flashback and Aftermath will work with Feather, the Redeemed. Specifically, because you control both replacement effects, you choose which one resolves, allowing you to cast a Flashback card that targets your creature from the graveyard then exile it, and return it to your hand at the end of turn.
My question is about what this means for Dire Fleet Daredevil? Does the fact that it would not go to Your graveyard mean that Feather's replacement effect would not apply? Although the wording specifies "your graveyard" the language is not as clear as usual ("exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard", rather than "if that card would go to your graveyard, exile it"), so it leaves open the possibility of putting a card you don't own in your hand...
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edited Apr 24 at 16:52
Joe W
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asked Apr 23 at 17:48
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add a comment |
It has already been clarified by WotC that Flashback and Aftermath will work with Feather, the Redeemed. Specifically, because you control both replacement effects, you choose which one resolves, allowing you to cast a Flashback card that targets your creature from the graveyard then exile it, and return it to your hand at the end of turn.
My question is about what this means for Dire Fleet Daredevil? Does the fact that it would not go to Your graveyard mean that Feather's replacement effect would not apply? Although the wording specifies "your graveyard" the language is not as clear as usual ("exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard", rather than "if that card would go to your graveyard, exile it"), so it leaves open the possibility of putting a card you don't own in your hand...
magic-the-gathering
edited Apr 24 at 16:52
Joe W
9,22923352
asked Apr 23 at 17:48
Soulus101Soulus101
906
That was an edit by Joe W, but I did check and at the time it wasn't in Gatherer. I did think 3rd May was weird, as here in the UK it's available this weekend at MF London; I assumed it would be available prior to the prerelease this Friday. I'm at work now and gatherer is blocked, so I can't confirm what you say now.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:36
It is in there now I thought I saw a release date of May 3rd for the set. I removed my remarks about it not being in gatherer yet.
– Joe W
Apr 24 at 16:51
add a comment |
It has already been clarified by WotC that Flashback and Aftermath will work with Feather, the Redeemed. Specifically, because you control both replacement effects, you choose which one resolves, allowing you to cast a Flashback card that targets your creature from the graveyard then exile it, and return it to your hand at the end of turn.
My question is about what this means for Dire Fleet Daredevil? Does the fact that it would not go to Your graveyard mean that Feather's replacement effect would not apply? Although the wording specifies "your graveyard" the language is not as clear as usual ("exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard", rather than "if that card would go to your graveyard, exile it"), so it leaves open the possibility of putting a card you don't own in your hand...
magic-the-gathering
edited Apr 24 at 16:52
Joe W
9,22923352
asked Apr 23 at 17:48
Soulus101Soulus101
906
It has already been clarified by WotC that Flashback and Aftermath will work with Feather, the Redeemed. Specifically, because you control both replacement effects, you choose which one resolves, allowing you to cast a Flashback card that targets your creature from the graveyard then exile it, and return it to your hand at the end of turn.
My question is about what this means for Dire Fleet Daredevil? Does the fact that it would not go to Your graveyard mean that Feather's replacement effect would not apply? Although the wording specifies "your graveyard" the language is not as clear as usual ("exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard", rather than "if that card would go to your graveyard, exile it"), so it leaves open the possibility of putting a card you don't own in your hand...
magic-the-gathering
magic-the-gathering
edited Apr 24 at 16:52
Joe W
9,22923352
asked Apr 23 at 17:48
Soulus101Soulus101
906
edited Apr 24 at 16:52
Joe W
9,22923352
asked Apr 23 at 17:48
Soulus101Soulus101
906
edited Apr 24 at 16:52
Joe W
9,22923352
edited Apr 24 at 16:52
Joe W
9,22923352
edited Apr 24 at 16:52
Joe W
9,22923352
9,22923352
asked Apr 23 at 17:48
Soulus101Soulus101
906
asked Apr 23 at 17:48
Soulus101Soulus101
906
asked Apr 23 at 17:48
Soulus101Soulus101
906
906
That was an edit by Joe W, but I did check and at the time it wasn't in Gatherer. I did think 3rd May was weird, as here in the UK it's available this weekend at MF London; I assumed it would be available prior to the prerelease this Friday. I'm at work now and gatherer is blocked, so I can't confirm what you say now.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:36
It is in there now I thought I saw a release date of May 3rd for the set. I removed my remarks about it not being in gatherer yet.
– Joe W
Apr 24 at 16:51
add a comment |
That was an edit by Joe W, but I did check and at the time it wasn't in Gatherer. I did think 3rd May was weird, as here in the UK it's available this weekend at MF London; I assumed it would be available prior to the prerelease this Friday. I'm at work now and gatherer is blocked, so I can't confirm what you say now.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:36
It is in there now I thought I saw a release date of May 3rd for the set. I removed my remarks about it not being in gatherer yet.
– Joe W
Apr 24 at 16:51
That was an edit by Joe W, but I did check and at the time it wasn't in Gatherer. I did think 3rd May was weird, as here in the UK it's available this weekend at MF London; I assumed it would be available prior to the prerelease this Friday. I'm at work now and gatherer is blocked, so I can't confirm what you say now.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:36
That was an edit by Joe W, but I did check and at the time it wasn't in Gatherer. I did think 3rd May was weird, as here in the UK it's available this weekend at MF London; I assumed it would be available prior to the prerelease this Friday. I'm at work now and gatherer is blocked, so I can't confirm what you say now.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:36
It is in there now I thought I saw a release date of May 3rd for the set. I removed my remarks about it not being in gatherer yet.
– Joe W
Apr 24 at 16:51
It is in there now I thought I saw a release date of May 3rd for the set. I removed my remarks about it not being in gatherer yet.
– Joe W
Apr 24 at 16:51
add a comment |
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Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
This is confirmed in an official ruling on Feather's Gatherer page:
If you cast an instant or sorcery spell that you don’t own, it won’t try to be put into your graveyard, so you won’t exile it with Feather’s effect or return it to your hand.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered Apr 23 at 18:14
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.6k7122205
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:18
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
Apr 23 at 18:23
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:28
And that's why it has the further wording "If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step": it's possible that the replacement might not take effect.
– Acccumulation
Apr 23 at 22:34
This could also refer to the requirement that the spell resolves, so again, I didn't feel that it was obvious that the card had to be going to your graveyard strictly. I think murgatroid's answer is complete.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:38
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Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
This is confirmed in an official ruling on Feather's Gatherer page:
If you cast an instant or sorcery spell that you don’t own, it won’t try to be put into your graveyard, so you won’t exile it with Feather’s effect or return it to your hand.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered Apr 23 at 18:14
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.6k7122205
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:18
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
Apr 23 at 18:23
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:28
And that's why it has the further wording "If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step": it's possible that the replacement might not take effect.
– Acccumulation
Apr 23 at 22:34
This could also refer to the requirement that the spell resolves, so again, I didn't feel that it was obvious that the card had to be going to your graveyard strictly. I think murgatroid's answer is complete.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:38
add a comment |
Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
This is confirmed in an official ruling on Feather's Gatherer page:
If you cast an instant or sorcery spell that you don’t own, it won’t try to be put into your graveyard, so you won’t exile it with Feather’s effect or return it to your hand.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered Apr 23 at 18:14
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.6k7122205
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:18
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
Apr 23 at 18:23
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:28
And that's why it has the further wording "If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step": it's possible that the replacement might not take effect.
– Acccumulation
Apr 23 at 22:34
This could also refer to the requirement that the spell resolves, so again, I didn't feel that it was obvious that the card had to be going to your graveyard strictly. I think murgatroid's answer is complete.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:38
add a comment |
Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
This is confirmed in an official ruling on Feather's Gatherer page:
If you cast an instant or sorcery spell that you don’t own, it won’t try to be put into your graveyard, so you won’t exile it with Feather’s effect or return it to your hand.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered Apr 23 at 18:14
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.6k7122205
Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
This is confirmed in an official ruling on Feather's Gatherer page:
If you cast an instant or sorcery spell that you don’t own, it won’t try to be put into your graveyard, so you won’t exile it with Feather’s effect or return it to your hand.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered Apr 23 at 18:14
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.6k7122205
edited Apr 24 at 16:47
answered Apr 23 at 18:14
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.6k7122205
answered Apr 23 at 18:14
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.6k7122205
answered Apr 23 at 18:14
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.6k7122205
48.6k7122205
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:18
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
Apr 23 at 18:23
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:28
And that's why it has the further wording "If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step": it's possible that the replacement might not take effect.
– Acccumulation
Apr 23 at 22:34
This could also refer to the requirement that the spell resolves, so again, I didn't feel that it was obvious that the card had to be going to your graveyard strictly. I think murgatroid's answer is complete.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:38
add a comment |
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:18
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
Apr 23 at 18:23
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:28
And that's why it has the further wording "If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step": it's possible that the replacement might not take effect.
– Acccumulation
Apr 23 at 22:34
This could also refer to the requirement that the spell resolves, so again, I didn't feel that it was obvious that the card had to be going to your graveyard strictly. I think murgatroid's answer is complete.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:38
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:18
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:18
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
Apr 23 at 18:23
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
Apr 23 at 18:23
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:28
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
Apr 23 at 18:28
And that's why it has the further wording "If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step": it's possible that the replacement might not take effect.
– Acccumulation
Apr 23 at 22:34
And that's why it has the further wording "If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step": it's possible that the replacement might not take effect.
– Acccumulation
Apr 23 at 22:34
This could also refer to the requirement that the spell resolves, so again, I didn't feel that it was obvious that the card had to be going to your graveyard strictly. I think murgatroid's answer is complete.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:38
This could also refer to the requirement that the spell resolves, so again, I didn't feel that it was obvious that the card had to be going to your graveyard strictly. I think murgatroid's answer is complete.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:38
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That was an edit by Joe W, but I did check and at the time it wasn't in Gatherer. I did think 3rd May was weird, as here in the UK it's available this weekend at MF London; I assumed it would be available prior to the prerelease this Friday. I'm at work now and gatherer is blocked, so I can't confirm what you say now.
– Soulus101
Apr 24 at 11:36
It is in there now I thought I saw a release date of May 3rd for the set. I removed my remarks about it not being in gatherer yet.
– Joe W
Apr 24 at 16:51