What happens if I try to grapple an illusory duplicate from the Mirror Image spell?Does grappling count as a hit?What counts as an attack?Does grappling negate Mirror Image?Can you make a grapple attack as an Attack of OpportunityWhat does mirror image look like?Can Mirror Image effect be negated with a single Sacred Flame?Can a character with Extra Attack replace multiple attacks with Grapple special attacks, as part of the same Attack action?What happens when you use a projected image to cast a teleportation spell on another creature?If Witch Bolt initially hits a target that has cast Mirror Image, does the ongoing damage hit the actual target automatically?How do faerie fire and mirror image interact?How do two castings of Mirror Image interact when one starts losing illusory duplicates?Can a Drunken Master monk use the Redirect Attack feature when the Mirror Image spell causes them to not be hit?Do the illusory duplicates created by the Mirror Image spell vanish when hit by a non-damaging attack?

Pre-mixing cryogenic fuels and using only one fuel tank

How could a planet have erratic days?

Is there a nicer/politer/more positive alternative for "negates"?

awk assign to multiple variables at once

Does the Linux kernel need a file system to run?

The Digit Triangles

Why do ¬, ∀ and ∃ have the same precedence?

Why is so much work done on numerical verification of the Riemann Hypothesis?

Taxes on Dividends in a Roth IRA

Will number of steps recorded on FitBit/any fitness tracker add up distance in PokemonGo?

Why do Radio Buttons not fill the entire outer circle?

What to do when eye contact makes your coworker uncomfortable?

What fields between the rationals and the reals allow a good notion of 2D distance?

How can ping know if my host is down

What kind of floor tile is this?

Is it allowed to activate the ability of multiple planeswalkers in a single turn?

Why does AES have exactly 10 rounds for a 128-bit key, 12 for 192 bits and 14 for a 256-bit key size?

The IT department bottlenecks progress, how should I handle this?

How would you translate "more" for use as an interface button?

Is there a RAID 0 Equivalent for RAM?

Find the next value of this number series

Does Doodling or Improvising on the Piano Have Any Benefits?

Does "he squandered his car on drink" sound natural?

Multiplicative persistence



What happens if I try to grapple an illusory duplicate from the Mirror Image spell?


Does grappling count as a hit?What counts as an attack?Does grappling negate Mirror Image?Can you make a grapple attack as an Attack of OpportunityWhat does mirror image look like?Can Mirror Image effect be negated with a single Sacred Flame?Can a character with Extra Attack replace multiple attacks with Grapple special attacks, as part of the same Attack action?What happens when you use a projected image to cast a teleportation spell on another creature?If Witch Bolt initially hits a target that has cast Mirror Image, does the ongoing damage hit the actual target automatically?How do faerie fire and mirror image interact?How do two castings of Mirror Image interact when one starts losing illusory duplicates?Can a Drunken Master monk use the Redirect Attack feature when the Mirror Image spell causes them to not be hit?Do the illusory duplicates created by the Mirror Image spell vanish when hit by a non-damaging attack?













23












$begingroup$


A grapple attempt is an attack - a special melee attack:




When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.




Because it's an attack, it can target an illusory duplicate from the mirror image spell:




Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the attack instead targets one of your duplicates.




What will happen if the grapple attempt targets a duplicate? Will it automatically be destroyed if I win the contest? What will happen if I lose the contest?










share|improve this question











$endgroup$











  • $begingroup$
    related : What counts as an attack?
    $endgroup$
    – Nahyn Oklauq
    yesterday















23












$begingroup$


A grapple attempt is an attack - a special melee attack:




When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.




Because it's an attack, it can target an illusory duplicate from the mirror image spell:




Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the attack instead targets one of your duplicates.




What will happen if the grapple attempt targets a duplicate? Will it automatically be destroyed if I win the contest? What will happen if I lose the contest?










share|improve this question











$endgroup$











  • $begingroup$
    related : What counts as an attack?
    $endgroup$
    – Nahyn Oklauq
    yesterday













23












23








23


1



$begingroup$


A grapple attempt is an attack - a special melee attack:




When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.




Because it's an attack, it can target an illusory duplicate from the mirror image spell:




Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the attack instead targets one of your duplicates.




What will happen if the grapple attempt targets a duplicate? Will it automatically be destroyed if I win the contest? What will happen if I lose the contest?










share|improve this question











$endgroup$




A grapple attempt is an attack - a special melee attack:




When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.




Because it's an attack, it can target an illusory duplicate from the mirror image spell:




Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the attack instead targets one of your duplicates.




What will happen if the grapple attempt targets a duplicate? Will it automatically be destroyed if I win the contest? What will happen if I lose the contest?







dnd-5e spells grapple illusion






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited 23 hours ago









V2Blast

25.2k484156




25.2k484156










asked yesterday









VylixVylix

13.6k255158




13.6k255158











  • $begingroup$
    related : What counts as an attack?
    $endgroup$
    – Nahyn Oklauq
    yesterday
















  • $begingroup$
    related : What counts as an attack?
    $endgroup$
    – Nahyn Oklauq
    yesterday















$begingroup$
related : What counts as an attack?
$endgroup$
– Nahyn Oklauq
yesterday




$begingroup$
related : What counts as an attack?
$endgroup$
– Nahyn Oklauq
yesterday










1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes


















20












$begingroup$

Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.



The pertinent mirror image rules:




A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.




And the grappling rules:




The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
(Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
grappled condition.




The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.



That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.



For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.



Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.



Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)




Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte?
The answer to both questions is
no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
or a miss.







share|improve this answer











$endgroup$












    Your Answer





    StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
    return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function ()
    StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix)
    StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["\$", "\$"]]);
    );
    );
    , "mathjax-editing");

    StackExchange.ready(function()
    var channelOptions =
    tags: "".split(" "),
    id: "122"
    ;
    initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

    StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
    // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
    if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
    StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
    createEditor();
    );

    else
    createEditor();

    );

    function createEditor()
    StackExchange.prepareEditor(
    heartbeatType: 'answer',
    autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
    convertImagesToLinks: false,
    noModals: true,
    showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
    reputationToPostImages: null,
    bindNavPrevention: true,
    postfix: "",
    imageUploader:
    brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
    contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
    allowUrls: true
    ,
    noCode: true, onDemand: true,
    discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
    ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
    );



    );













    draft saved

    draft discarded


















    StackExchange.ready(
    function ()
    StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f143565%2fwhat-happens-if-i-try-to-grapple-an-illusory-duplicate-from-the-mirror-image-spe%23new-answer', 'question_page');

    );

    Post as a guest















    Required, but never shown

























    1 Answer
    1






    active

    oldest

    votes








    1 Answer
    1






    active

    oldest

    votes









    active

    oldest

    votes






    active

    oldest

    votes









    20












    $begingroup$

    Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.



    The pertinent mirror image rules:




    A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
    hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
    destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
    and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.




    And the grappling rules:




    The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
    you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
    try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
    roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
    (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
    ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
    grappled condition.




    The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.



    That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.



    For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.



    Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.



    Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)




    Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
    Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte?
    The answer to both questions is
    no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
    or a miss.







    share|improve this answer











    $endgroup$

















      20












      $begingroup$

      Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.



      The pertinent mirror image rules:




      A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
      hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
      destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
      and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.




      And the grappling rules:




      The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
      you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
      try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
      roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
      (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
      ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
      grappled condition.




      The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.



      That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.



      For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.



      Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.



      Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)




      Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
      Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte?
      The answer to both questions is
      no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
      or a miss.







      share|improve this answer











      $endgroup$















        20












        20








        20





        $begingroup$

        Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.



        The pertinent mirror image rules:




        A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
        hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
        destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
        and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.




        And the grappling rules:




        The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
        you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
        try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
        roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
        (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
        ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
        grappled condition.




        The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.



        That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.



        For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.



        Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.



        Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)




        Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
        Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte?
        The answer to both questions is
        no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
        or a miss.







        share|improve this answer











        $endgroup$



        Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.



        The pertinent mirror image rules:




        A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
        hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
        destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
        and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.




        And the grappling rules:




        The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
        you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
        try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
        roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
        (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
        ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
        grappled condition.




        The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.



        That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.



        For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.



        Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.



        Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)




        Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
        Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte?
        The answer to both questions is
        no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
        or a miss.








        share|improve this answer














        share|improve this answer



        share|improve this answer








        edited 12 hours ago

























        answered yesterday









        Ben BardenBen Barden

        11.2k12765




        11.2k12765



























            draft saved

            draft discarded
















































            Thanks for contributing an answer to Role-playing Games Stack Exchange!


            • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

            But avoid


            • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

            • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

            Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


            To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




            draft saved


            draft discarded














            StackExchange.ready(
            function ()
            StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f143565%2fwhat-happens-if-i-try-to-grapple-an-illusory-duplicate-from-the-mirror-image-spe%23new-answer', 'question_page');

            );

            Post as a guest















            Required, but never shown





















































            Required, but never shown














            Required, but never shown












            Required, but never shown







            Required, but never shown

































            Required, but never shown














            Required, but never shown












            Required, but never shown







            Required, but never shown







            Popular posts from this blog

            Sum ergo cogito? 1 nng

            419 nièngy_Soadمي 19bal1.5o_g

            Queiggey Chernihivv 9NnOo i Zw X QqKk LpB