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How to find $k$ such that the line $y=x-2-k$ is tangent to the circle given by $x^2+(y+2)^2=4$?



Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)Write the equation of the tangent line of a circleEquation, Area and Circumference of A circle given equation of the tangent and centerA line through the point P(8, -7) is a tangent to the circle C at the point T. Find the length of PT.show that the equation represents a circle and find the centreRotating a Vector Tangent to a CircleHow can I find the equation of a circle given two points and a tangent line through one of the points?How do I find the equation to a tangent of a circle given a gradientFinding line tangent to circleFinding the circle given two tangent lines and a point along one of them and on the circleCircle given 2 points and tangent in Fortune's Voronoi Algorithm










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I have the circle $x^2+(y+2)^2=4$ and the line $y=x-2-k$. How would you find a $k$ value that would allow the second equation to sit tangent to the circle? There should, in theory, be only two solutions.



I can't make sense of this problem as you can't equate these problems to find a point. Thinking of this problem, I would think of using the discriminate, but I cannot find the proper equation format by manipulating the equation in order to make it fit in the form $ax^2+bx+c$.



Would anyone have any clue on how you may find this value? I've noticed by typing it into a CAS, it partially solves it by stating the domain of k can only be within $2sqrt2$ or $-2sqrt2$ which are the solutions to this problem but I would like to understand how it may have equated this domain.



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    I have the circle $x^2+(y+2)^2=4$ and the line $y=x-2-k$. How would you find a $k$ value that would allow the second equation to sit tangent to the circle? There should, in theory, be only two solutions.



    I can't make sense of this problem as you can't equate these problems to find a point. Thinking of this problem, I would think of using the discriminate, but I cannot find the proper equation format by manipulating the equation in order to make it fit in the form $ax^2+bx+c$.



    Would anyone have any clue on how you may find this value? I've noticed by typing it into a CAS, it partially solves it by stating the domain of k can only be within $2sqrt2$ or $-2sqrt2$ which are the solutions to this problem but I would like to understand how it may have equated this domain.



    Thank you for your help.










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      I have the circle $x^2+(y+2)^2=4$ and the line $y=x-2-k$. How would you find a $k$ value that would allow the second equation to sit tangent to the circle? There should, in theory, be only two solutions.



      I can't make sense of this problem as you can't equate these problems to find a point. Thinking of this problem, I would think of using the discriminate, but I cannot find the proper equation format by manipulating the equation in order to make it fit in the form $ax^2+bx+c$.



      Would anyone have any clue on how you may find this value? I've noticed by typing it into a CAS, it partially solves it by stating the domain of k can only be within $2sqrt2$ or $-2sqrt2$ which are the solutions to this problem but I would like to understand how it may have equated this domain.



      Thank you for your help.










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      I have the circle $x^2+(y+2)^2=4$ and the line $y=x-2-k$. How would you find a $k$ value that would allow the second equation to sit tangent to the circle? There should, in theory, be only two solutions.



      I can't make sense of this problem as you can't equate these problems to find a point. Thinking of this problem, I would think of using the discriminate, but I cannot find the proper equation format by manipulating the equation in order to make it fit in the form $ax^2+bx+c$.



      Would anyone have any clue on how you may find this value? I've noticed by typing it into a CAS, it partially solves it by stating the domain of k can only be within $2sqrt2$ or $-2sqrt2$ which are the solutions to this problem but I would like to understand how it may have equated this domain.



      Thank you for your help.







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          The line is tangent to the circle iff they intersect at exactly one point. The intersection is given by a quadratic equation, the number of solutions is given by the sign of the discriminant (you want the discriminant to be $0$).



          The circle and the line intersect at $x$ given by $x^2+(x-k)^2=4$, i.e. $2x^2-2kx+k^2-4=0$.



          There is only one possible $x$ if $Delta=32-4k^2=0$, that is when $k=pm2sqrt2$.



          Then the coordinates of the tangent points are given by $x=frac k2, y=-frac k2-2$.






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            @Ryan_DS The coefficients $a,b,c$ in $ax^2+bx+c$ are respectively $2, -2k, k^2-4$, and the discriminant is $b^2-4ac=(-2k)^2-4times2times(k^2-4)=4k^2-8k^2+32=32-4k^2$.
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          There's another approach with calculus.



          The slope of equation $y = x-2-k$ is 1.
          Differentiating the equation of circle we get $$fracdx^2dx + fracd(y+2)^2dx = 0 \
          2x + 2(y+2)fracd(y+2)dx = 0\
          x + (y+2)fracdydx = 0\
          frac dydx = frac-xy+2$$

          This gives the slope of tangent at any point on the circle.



          Equating this to 1 we get
          $-x=y+2$ substituting it in equation of circle, we get $x=pm sqrt 2 implies y=mp sqrt 2 -2$



          It means the tangents at point $(sqrt 2, -sqrt 2 -2)$ and $(-sqrt 2, sqrt 2 -2)$ to the circle have slope 1 which is exactly the slope of the given line.



          Substituting these values in the equation $y=x-2-k$, we get
          $$k=pm 2sqrt 2$$






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            I like the approach, but isn't the differentiated equation of the circle $(2-x)/y$?
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            @Ryan_DS It isn't $(2-x)/y$. I edited the answer to include the complete differentiation process.
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          The line is tangent to the circle iff they intersect at exactly one point. The intersection is given by a quadratic equation, the number of solutions is given by the sign of the discriminant (you want the discriminant to be $0$).



          The circle and the line intersect at $x$ given by $x^2+(x-k)^2=4$, i.e. $2x^2-2kx+k^2-4=0$.



          There is only one possible $x$ if $Delta=32-4k^2=0$, that is when $k=pm2sqrt2$.



          Then the coordinates of the tangent points are given by $x=frac k2, y=-frac k2-2$.






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            @Ryan_DS The coefficients $a,b,c$ in $ax^2+bx+c$ are respectively $2, -2k, k^2-4$, and the discriminant is $b^2-4ac=(-2k)^2-4times2times(k^2-4)=4k^2-8k^2+32=32-4k^2$.
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          $begingroup$

          The line is tangent to the circle iff they intersect at exactly one point. The intersection is given by a quadratic equation, the number of solutions is given by the sign of the discriminant (you want the discriminant to be $0$).



          The circle and the line intersect at $x$ given by $x^2+(x-k)^2=4$, i.e. $2x^2-2kx+k^2-4=0$.



          There is only one possible $x$ if $Delta=32-4k^2=0$, that is when $k=pm2sqrt2$.



          Then the coordinates of the tangent points are given by $x=frac k2, y=-frac k2-2$.






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          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Ryan_DS The coefficients $a,b,c$ in $ax^2+bx+c$ are respectively $2, -2k, k^2-4$, and the discriminant is $b^2-4ac=(-2k)^2-4times2times(k^2-4)=4k^2-8k^2+32=32-4k^2$.
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          $begingroup$

          The line is tangent to the circle iff they intersect at exactly one point. The intersection is given by a quadratic equation, the number of solutions is given by the sign of the discriminant (you want the discriminant to be $0$).



          The circle and the line intersect at $x$ given by $x^2+(x-k)^2=4$, i.e. $2x^2-2kx+k^2-4=0$.



          There is only one possible $x$ if $Delta=32-4k^2=0$, that is when $k=pm2sqrt2$.



          Then the coordinates of the tangent points are given by $x=frac k2, y=-frac k2-2$.






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          The line is tangent to the circle iff they intersect at exactly one point. The intersection is given by a quadratic equation, the number of solutions is given by the sign of the discriminant (you want the discriminant to be $0$).



          The circle and the line intersect at $x$ given by $x^2+(x-k)^2=4$, i.e. $2x^2-2kx+k^2-4=0$.



          There is only one possible $x$ if $Delta=32-4k^2=0$, that is when $k=pm2sqrt2$.



          Then the coordinates of the tangent points are given by $x=frac k2, y=-frac k2-2$.







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            $begingroup$
            @Ryan_DS The coefficients $a,b,c$ in $ax^2+bx+c$ are respectively $2, -2k, k^2-4$, and the discriminant is $b^2-4ac=(-2k)^2-4times2times(k^2-4)=4k^2-8k^2+32=32-4k^2$.
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          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Ryan_DS The coefficients $a,b,c$ in $ax^2+bx+c$ are respectively $2, -2k, k^2-4$, and the discriminant is $b^2-4ac=(-2k)^2-4times2times(k^2-4)=4k^2-8k^2+32=32-4k^2$.
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          $begingroup$
          @Ryan_DS The coefficients $a,b,c$ in $ax^2+bx+c$ are respectively $2, -2k, k^2-4$, and the discriminant is $b^2-4ac=(-2k)^2-4times2times(k^2-4)=4k^2-8k^2+32=32-4k^2$.
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          – Jean-Claude Arbaut
          Apr 17 at 8:54





          $begingroup$
          @Ryan_DS The coefficients $a,b,c$ in $ax^2+bx+c$ are respectively $2, -2k, k^2-4$, and the discriminant is $b^2-4ac=(-2k)^2-4times2times(k^2-4)=4k^2-8k^2+32=32-4k^2$.
          $endgroup$
          – Jean-Claude Arbaut
          Apr 17 at 8:54












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          $begingroup$

          There's another approach with calculus.



          The slope of equation $y = x-2-k$ is 1.
          Differentiating the equation of circle we get $$fracdx^2dx + fracd(y+2)^2dx = 0 \
          2x + 2(y+2)fracd(y+2)dx = 0\
          x + (y+2)fracdydx = 0\
          frac dydx = frac-xy+2$$

          This gives the slope of tangent at any point on the circle.



          Equating this to 1 we get
          $-x=y+2$ substituting it in equation of circle, we get $x=pm sqrt 2 implies y=mp sqrt 2 -2$



          It means the tangents at point $(sqrt 2, -sqrt 2 -2)$ and $(-sqrt 2, sqrt 2 -2)$ to the circle have slope 1 which is exactly the slope of the given line.



          Substituting these values in the equation $y=x-2-k$, we get
          $$k=pm 2sqrt 2$$






          share|cite|improve this answer











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          • $begingroup$
            I like the approach, but isn't the differentiated equation of the circle $(2-x)/y$?
            $endgroup$
            – Ryan_DS
            Apr 18 at 2:38










          • $begingroup$
            @Ryan_DS It isn't $(2-x)/y$. I edited the answer to include the complete differentiation process.
            $endgroup$
            – dssknj
            2 days ago















          3












          $begingroup$

          There's another approach with calculus.



          The slope of equation $y = x-2-k$ is 1.
          Differentiating the equation of circle we get $$fracdx^2dx + fracd(y+2)^2dx = 0 \
          2x + 2(y+2)fracd(y+2)dx = 0\
          x + (y+2)fracdydx = 0\
          frac dydx = frac-xy+2$$

          This gives the slope of tangent at any point on the circle.



          Equating this to 1 we get
          $-x=y+2$ substituting it in equation of circle, we get $x=pm sqrt 2 implies y=mp sqrt 2 -2$



          It means the tangents at point $(sqrt 2, -sqrt 2 -2)$ and $(-sqrt 2, sqrt 2 -2)$ to the circle have slope 1 which is exactly the slope of the given line.



          Substituting these values in the equation $y=x-2-k$, we get
          $$k=pm 2sqrt 2$$






          share|cite|improve this answer











          $endgroup$












          • $begingroup$
            I like the approach, but isn't the differentiated equation of the circle $(2-x)/y$?
            $endgroup$
            – Ryan_DS
            Apr 18 at 2:38










          • $begingroup$
            @Ryan_DS It isn't $(2-x)/y$. I edited the answer to include the complete differentiation process.
            $endgroup$
            – dssknj
            2 days ago













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          3





          $begingroup$

          There's another approach with calculus.



          The slope of equation $y = x-2-k$ is 1.
          Differentiating the equation of circle we get $$fracdx^2dx + fracd(y+2)^2dx = 0 \
          2x + 2(y+2)fracd(y+2)dx = 0\
          x + (y+2)fracdydx = 0\
          frac dydx = frac-xy+2$$

          This gives the slope of tangent at any point on the circle.



          Equating this to 1 we get
          $-x=y+2$ substituting it in equation of circle, we get $x=pm sqrt 2 implies y=mp sqrt 2 -2$



          It means the tangents at point $(sqrt 2, -sqrt 2 -2)$ and $(-sqrt 2, sqrt 2 -2)$ to the circle have slope 1 which is exactly the slope of the given line.



          Substituting these values in the equation $y=x-2-k$, we get
          $$k=pm 2sqrt 2$$






          share|cite|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          There's another approach with calculus.



          The slope of equation $y = x-2-k$ is 1.
          Differentiating the equation of circle we get $$fracdx^2dx + fracd(y+2)^2dx = 0 \
          2x + 2(y+2)fracd(y+2)dx = 0\
          x + (y+2)fracdydx = 0\
          frac dydx = frac-xy+2$$

          This gives the slope of tangent at any point on the circle.



          Equating this to 1 we get
          $-x=y+2$ substituting it in equation of circle, we get $x=pm sqrt 2 implies y=mp sqrt 2 -2$



          It means the tangents at point $(sqrt 2, -sqrt 2 -2)$ and $(-sqrt 2, sqrt 2 -2)$ to the circle have slope 1 which is exactly the slope of the given line.



          Substituting these values in the equation $y=x-2-k$, we get
          $$k=pm 2sqrt 2$$







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            I like the approach, but isn't the differentiated equation of the circle $(2-x)/y$?
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            – Ryan_DS
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            @Ryan_DS It isn't $(2-x)/y$. I edited the answer to include the complete differentiation process.
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          • $begingroup$
            I like the approach, but isn't the differentiated equation of the circle $(2-x)/y$?
            $endgroup$
            – Ryan_DS
            Apr 18 at 2:38










          • $begingroup$
            @Ryan_DS It isn't $(2-x)/y$. I edited the answer to include the complete differentiation process.
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            – dssknj
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          $begingroup$
          I like the approach, but isn't the differentiated equation of the circle $(2-x)/y$?
          $endgroup$
          – Ryan_DS
          Apr 18 at 2:38




          $begingroup$
          I like the approach, but isn't the differentiated equation of the circle $(2-x)/y$?
          $endgroup$
          – Ryan_DS
          Apr 18 at 2:38












          $begingroup$
          @Ryan_DS It isn't $(2-x)/y$. I edited the answer to include the complete differentiation process.
          $endgroup$
          – dssknj
          2 days ago




          $begingroup$
          @Ryan_DS It isn't $(2-x)/y$. I edited the answer to include the complete differentiation process.
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